Trump’s New Wall to Keep Out the Disabled

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Graceiew, I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. I was being flip because people were suggesting that other countries can’t take care of their people due to the corruption and that the US should play a bigger role. I was really not saying that Jesus lives only in the US… I do think the countries have responsibility for their people… and the US insn’t wanting to take control of any other country…
 
That is ok ,Petra,please forget it.
It is just a long struggle sometimes.
 
F_Marturana said:
If those crossing the southern border were permitted to cross as those from Canada.

Canadians need just a passport.

Mexicans need a passport and a travel visa issued by the US.

Change that, and they can be here legally with a passport.

Funny thing is US citizens don’t need s Mexican travel visa. We can just go to Mexico with a passport.

Adding. When I went to Canada, my passport wasn’t stamped. When I came home it wasn’t stamped
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We have different requirements for Mexico vs Canada for very good reasons. If we enforced the rules in the south, much fewer problems.

I urge you to travel internationally, it can expand your understanding.
 
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F_Marturana said:
Funny thing is US citizens don’t need s Mexican travel visa. We can just go to Mexico with a passport.
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I am a US citizen and so are my children. My husband is now a US citizen as well, but when we first traveled to Mexico he was still a Mexican citizen. When we first traveled to Mexico in the 1990’s we could enter Mexico without a passport, just state issued IDs. Once we were there, we were issued Mexican visas for the amount of time we were staying in Mexico. My husband did not have to have one. In the early 2000’s we needed a passport to go to Mexico that was stamped on entry and we were again given Mexican visas. Still, my husband didn’t have to have one. He did have to have his US resident alien card and Mexican passport to re enter the US, and our US passports were stamped at re entry. Even after he bacame a US citizen, Mexico did not require him to have a travel visa like they did me and the kids. The immigration officer told him that to Mexico, he would ALWAYS be a Mexican. Last Christmas he once again traveled to Mexico. This time alone. Guess what happened? Mexico changed their mind and required him to have a visa to enter. He was so mad! He called me to wire him money so he could pay for the visa. I still tease him and remind him Mexico no longer claims him as one of theirs.

Mexico does not require a visa if you are staying near the border, and maybe it’s similar near resorts. But if you plan to go away from the border and you are caught without proper documentation you are subject to Mexican immigration laws. They are not nearly as kind as US immigration laws. Our Border Patrol Agents are so much nicer to deal with than theirs. Our jails are a lot better as well.

The US also issues “border crossing cards” to Mexicans that live near the border. This allows them to travel within a certain distance in the US for shopping, school and work but return to Mexico to live. It’s also possible to get a cheaper US passport card if you plan to drive instead of fly to Mexico. Flying still requires the book. If you want to go beyond the border area, Mexican visas are easy to get at the border. Just like US immigration laws, Mexico changes things every few years it seems.

I’ve never been to Canada. I hear it’s very lovely though. Too cold for my taste, but my daughter loves it there.
 
F_Marturana said:
If those crossing the southern border were permitted to cross as those from Canada.

Canadians need just a passport.

Mexicans need a passport and a travel visa issued by the US.

Change that, and they can be here legally with a passport.

Funny thing is US citizens don’t need s Mexican travel visa. We can just go to Mexico with a passport.

Adding. When I went to Canada, my passport wasn’t stamped. When I came home it wasn’t stamped.
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As a whole, I agree very much with your post. I know many Mexicans (and other Latin Americans) that would be very greatful to be granted permission to safely and legally work in the US and return home as easily as Canadians can. They would love to have that opportunity. They deserve it as much as any other country’s citizens do, especially neighboring countries.
 
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graciew said:
That is ok ,Petra,please forget it.
It is just a long struggle sometimes.
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Graciew, you told me to forget it but I can’t… I’m sorry for making fun of the struggles of our neighbors to the south… I was responding to this post by @Metis1…
"BTW, just to be clear before we see a response to my post that states I’m for open borders, which I’m not, but how this administration is handling all of this, especially with the refugees, is morally bankrupt under Jesus’ teachings and what the Church has long taught as well.

Instead of expanding this wall at many billions of dollars, why not deal with the main cause, namely poverty and corruption in the three Latin American countries, whereas we could help out the people by trying to help them build enterprise zones even if it goes against what the leadership wants. It’s a carrot & stick response since we also have a vested interest in what’s happening there."

It seemed to Metis1 that the US is not acting in an appropriate way, not the way Jesus would want us to respond.
Graciew, how do YOU think we should respond? We give money to charities, we pray, our government sends money to the countries… we welcome legal immigrants… what should we really be doing??? I for one want to do something that helps… If you don’t want to answer to everyone, please PM me and talk to me. I want to be saying and thinking and DOing the right things… 🙂
 
But saying what you should do,is precisely what bugs us when we are told what we should do, when, at the end of the day, we are having similar difficulties…So it is more about sharing among those of us who contribute honestly to the system as best as we can because also at the end of the end of the day,everybody opines but it is a few that keep this circus going,and it doesn’t work like that…
When I see banners, manifestations,protests here,I wish sometimes that by a strike of magic 🙂 only the ones that are honestly contributing according to their possibilities and not gaming the system,rich or poor,would remain. And the noise would disappear and only dialogue remain peacefully.
Because whether we like it or not ,we have to work together.
And last but not least, and from the bottom of my heart, for those of us trying to avoid socialism and populism at all costs,when your President twits some of the thoughless stuff he does, we go back to a starting point once again. So it makes it more difficult still when we are addressed us a bunch of whatever,when we are just like anyone else.Many if us may understand certain communication mishaps but not a good chunk of those who see it as an opportunity to throw at us anything north. He is your president, period,he is whom you chose.Period.
And are probably fed up of being used and also by lazy bones abroad or the shrewd who think we are dumb,just like anyone else,Petra… Believe me. And I am sure that sitting at a table with a cup of coffee we would understand each other much more. And I know it because I lived there as one among you. Eternal gratitude for all the love our family received.
Petra, it isn’t t against you. I am sorry that you felt you had something to do. I really am. Thank you…
 
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Thanks for the reply. And I would LOVE to have a cup of coffee with YOU!!! 🙂
 
petra22 said:
Instead of expanding this wall at many billions of dollars, why not deal with the main cause, namely poverty and corruption in the three Latin American countries, whereas we could help out the people by trying to help them build enterprise zones even if it goes against what the leadership wants. It’s a carrot & stick response since we also have a vested interest in what’s happening there."
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It’s going to take much much more than $5 billion or $25 billion to fix the poverty and corruption and what all else is/are the core problem(s).

So the wall is cheap and fast.

By comparison.

[Just consider that China is working to smuggle massive amounts of drugs into the United States.]

Fentanyl is not even on the list! It is too new to make the list!!

Check the list!!!


At one point Mexico was the most prosperous country. And then there was a communist revolution and all the Catholic priests were murdered!!!

http://www.ewtn.com/library/homelibr/fr94204.txt


This book is pivotal to understanding Mexico! Shows how Catholic Spain during 300 years–1521-1821–formed Mexico and made her prosperous and happy, but how the great Masonic Revolution (1821-1928) has made her poor and miserable. Shows that Mexico is still basically Catholic (97%) but is ruled by an anti-Catholic government. Full of insights and crucial to understanding Mexico.

Tan Books has reprinted a lot of out-of-print titles:

Mexican Martyrdom: Firsthand Accounts of the Religious Persecution in Mexico 1926-1935: Parsons, Wilfrid: 9780895553300: Amazon.com: Books

Mexican Martyrdom: Firsthand Accounts of the Religious Persecution in Mexico 1926-1935 [Parsons, Wilfrid] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Mexican Martyrdom: Firsthand Accounts of the Religious Persecution in Mexico 1926-1935
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petra22 said:
Why doesn’t the US just take over those corrupt countries as territories and begin to rule there???
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Our experience with nation-building isn’t that good, so I would prefer to use the carrot & stick approach. IOW, provide carefully monitored aid if they cooperate or eliminate aid and use boycott if they don’t. And since these countries are predominantly Catholic, we should be willing to work through the Church, directly or indirectly, to accomplish this.
 
A lot of our foreign aid ended up in swiss bank accounts.

We were, as usual, in competition with the Soviet Union.

So I agree on incentive structures.

By the way,

nypost.com

Trump: I never abandoned plans for a concrete wall

President Trump said on Monday that he “NEVER ABANDONED” plans to build a concrete wall along the southern border, contradicting comments made by members of his administration – i…
nypost.com nypost.com
 
The CBP say they don’t want such a wall since they want to see what’s on the other side. Frankly, Trump isn’t at all consistent because his opinions tend to sway in the direction of whom he listened to last. Kelly’s and Mattis’ remarks are quite damning in regards to Trump’s “mental capacity” but he’s still sharper than those who blindly believe his pandering and con-jobs. Even some self-proclaimed “conservatives” follow him like lemmings since they ignore basic economics as Trump in no way is a fiscal conservative.
 
MonteRCMS said:
By the way,
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Thanks for the link:>
“An all concrete Wall was NEVER ABANDONED, as has been reported by the media. Some areas will be all concrete but the experts at Border Patrol prefer a Wall that is see through (thereby making it possible to see what is happening on both sides). Makes sense to me!,” Trump wrote on his Twitter account.
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So it will be all concrete where it is all concrete and not all concrete where it is not. And that somehow that does not mean a departure from the idea of of an all concrete wall. Whatever.
 
dvdjs said:
So it will be all concrete where it is all concrete and not all concrete where it is not. And that somehow that does not mean a departure from the idea of of an all concrete wall. Whatever.
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Ever hear of “slip-forming”?
 
The wall is a step towards border security maybe, but it is not a true solution. The wall “so tall you would have to be an Olympian to climb over” has been climbed MULTIPLE TIMES. It has been climbed by pregnant women in labor. It has been dug under, cut through, and in other ways breeched. A wall is not a solution. The money to “improve and expand” the wall will not solve anything. That money is much better spent on Border Patrol. Increased training, manpower, and equipment. Improve their public image. They are the only true defense we have unless we find the way to have the military patrol the border. Right now that is legally kind of iffy, but I think it should be explored.

These things are also very short term fixes, not long term solutions. Long term we need to change our immigration laws. There are no excuses for having such a wide open immigration policy with Canada and not other neighbors. Most who come here illegally would be much happier if allowed to come and go safely and legally, while working, and returning home when it is possible. Many would love education and better job skills to return home with. It isn’t possible in many places for them to receive an education. I know people that have done just that—gotten degrees on the US and gone home to better their communities.

As for charities in the US that can help improve situations in these nations, education is key. Here is one example of a true step towards improving Guatemala:

http://www.guatemalaneducationaloutreach.org/

Programs such as this are what is needed to begin unraveling the deep seated corruption that has captured these countries. Through educating the youth, showing them that there are better ways, and improving their overall health through improved nutrition, real results will be seen. I encourage everyone to watch the videos in the link I provided. (The president of the GEO is a Catholic priest in Kentucky. I do not know him and have never met him, but I found out about this project through a friend that is a parishioner of his).
 
A 1700 mile “wall” makes about as much sense as the Tower of Babel did.

Also, “an ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure”, and the “wall” is more the latter.

I think we need a new “Good Neighbor Policy” to both help Latin American countries but also ourselves as Latinos tend to buy a great many American products. NAFTA, with all it’s pros and cons, actually has helped to reduce illegal Mexican immigration to the point whereas more have been leaving the U.S. to go back than leaving there than to come here.
 
I strongly suspect that Border Patrol knows to the nearest inch the most favored crossing points and where the majority of the arrests take place AND thus where to start building the new wall / bollard wall / slatted steel wall construction.

The country of Hungary walled itself off from Serbia & Croatia in four (4) months and reduced illegal border crossings to zero (0)
 
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