Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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meltzerboy said:
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I thought all this was already taking place. Apparently I have virtually no illusions left, but maybe a few delusions.
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Oh, no, you’re right. I just meant that this stuff is always becoming ever more prevalent and intrusive. At this point it’s still possible to avoid a lot of it. It’s just going to get worse, though, and eventually that will become more and more challenging, maybe even impossible.

Seattle has these weird devices all over the downtown area:

thestranger.com/seattle/you-are-a-rogue-device/Content?oid=18143845

It turns out that the FBI and Seattle Police Department track everyone downtown using their cellphones, and these devices which are on telephone poles, are constantly scanning and recording stolen information from every single person’s phone, including their adress book, etcetera, and also triangulating everyone’s movements, which is then stored in some database. It’s complete surveillance of the entire populace, but it’s unclear how often people’s phones are turned into bugs, using their speakers as powerful microphones. Very little is known about it, because the authorities do what they can to keep it secret.

Some people get around this kind of thing by using older flip-top phones, and simply removing the battery when not making a call.

fastcompany.com/3019847/think-you-can-live-offline-without-being-tracked-heres-what-it-takes
 
Progressives that continue to blindly follow the liberal media, their narrative and NEVER ask questions, are frightening. President Trump has already taken strong, bold, pro-life stances that we, as Catholics, should be rejoicing over! And naming a strong conservative in Neil Gorsuch is another “win” for the pro-life crowd. I’m pleasantly surprised with President Trump. Obama and the media will have their day of reckoning over this wire tapping issue. President Trump is going on offense, look out.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. The kinds of people Trump has dealt with for years have very sharp elbows. Probably some have been every bit as clever and rough as Putin, some perhaps more.

I am not presently willing to concede that Putin is a sharper dealer than, say, the people who run Deutchebank, who Trump trounced when they tried to loot him. Putin is just able to kill people with impunity, while the people at Deutschebank can’t.
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Even a toddler - if a toddler had access to a massive number of nuclear weapons and one of the world’s largest military forces - would be incredibly dangerous.If anything, more so than a rational adult in the same situation. And I’m not presently willing to concede that Putin is always particularly rational.

Either way, far more dangerous than the likes of Deutschebank.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. The kinds of people Trump has dealt with for years have very sharp elbows. Probably some have been every bit as clever and rough as Putin, some perhaps more.

I am not presently willing to concede that Putin is a sharper dealer than, say, the people who run Deutchebank, who Trump trounced when they tried to loot him. Putin is just able to kill people with impunity, while the people at Deutschebank can’t.
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chero23 said:
What does have to do with the wiretap claims?

Some republicans don’t think Trump is being honest.
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Some republicans prefer peanut butter to chocolate . I bet some republicans like the color yellow…
 
Ridgerunner said:
Maybe. But if investigation demonstrates that somebody high in Obama’s coterie lied to a FISA court to hack/tap Trump, it will be time to send the left’s saddles home.
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i agree. But I hope you also agree that if the investigation fizzles, and this turns out just to be a POTUS making a baseless, public, criminal accusation against a citizen of the United States, then he is guilty of a major abuse of power.
 
Exiled_Child said:
As if there exists a single phone anywhere in North America that isn’t “tapped”! How ridiculous can The Donald get?

And how hypocritical can he get? He’s extremely pro-surveillance when it comes to everyone but himself.

dailydot.com/layer8/donald-trump-surveillance-encryption-privacy/

theintercept.com/2017/01/19/trump-dhs-surveillance/
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But wait a minute, I thought he wasn’t under surveillance. So which is it? Is he being tapped as he said, or are the democrats caught again in a lie?
 
cyguy said:
President Trump is going on offense, look out.
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He certainly did that in getting Obama to produce his birth certificate, then later admitting Obama was indeed U.S. born.

What the heck was gained, besides raising supporters?
 
Were in the history of American politics such low as Clinton & Obama, who after wiretapping Trump and found no evidence of wrongdoing they kept lying about Trump, while those agencies said nothing to clear gen Flynn name for example?
 
Ion said:
Were in the history of American politics such low as Clinton & Obama, who after wiretapping Trump and found no evidence of wrongdoing they kept lying about Trump, …
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…says the lawyer trying to lead the witness
 
Ion said:
Were in the history of American politics such low as Clinton & Obama, who after wiretapping Trump and found no evidence of wrongdoing they kept lying about Trump, while those agencies said nothing to clear gen Flynn name for example?
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:eek: Do you really have not idea of how much your single sentence is alt-reality?
 
sallybutler said:
Wrong country. It was Turkey, not Russia

militarytimes.com/articles/former-trump-security-adviser-flynn-admits-turkey-lobbying
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Nope, they accused him of talking to Russia…And was asked to resign because he did not mention that literally he talk to Russia but because we’re things without importance he forgot them…It was the liberals “proof” that Russians derailed the election.

You did not answer my question because very likely there were not such politicians as Clinton and Obama in the history of USA politics…Thank you
 
dvdjs said:
:eek: Do you really have not idea of how much your single sentence is alt-reality?
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Look at Hannity last night show and see for yourself…

Maybe this link works

Search on you tube Hannity confirms wiretapping Obama court order
 
Ion said:
Look at Hannity last night show and see for yourself…

Maybe this link works

m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8qEkXOC-7U
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OK. I wasted 10 minutes. Quit when an ad popped up. He gave no basis for this:
Were in the history of American politics such low as Clinton & Obama, who after wiretapping Trump and found no evidence of wrongdoing they kept lying about Trump, while those agencies said nothing to clear gen Flynn name for example?
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dvdjs said:
OK. I wasted 10 minutes. Quit when an ad popped up. He gave no basis for this:
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You should watched it all, there was a reporter at a meeting with members from intelligence who said there were 2 wiretapping on Trump server, one through FISA and one independent
 
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