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LilyM
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I don’t think the issue is so much the having ties as the dishonesty from some in the Trump camp (eg Flynn) about the ties they have.
Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
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SuperLuigi
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Because one comment about a guy’s father who ended up taking the high road and supporting him anyways wipes out the double standard?
Thanks for the laugh.
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SuperLuigi
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I wish people would realize that NO ONE in the mainstream buys this anymore.
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Monte_RCMS
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Occam’s Razor – Did NSA Admiral Mike Rogers Warn Trump On November 17th, 2016?…
Posted on March 3, 2017
Sometimes the utilization of Timelines means you have to look at the new information with a keen awareness of specific events. In hindsight, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers may have notified Team Trump of Obama’s Intelligence Community (James Clapper and John Brennan) spying on their activity.
As you look at the FISA request dates below, it’s important to note that NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers would be keenly aware of both the June request – Denied, and the October request – Granted. Pay specific attention to the October request. “October”!.
June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.
October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.
On Tuesday November 8th, 2016 the election was held. Results announced Wednesday November 9th, 2016.
NSA Director Rogers participates in session at Intelligence and National Security Summit in Washington♦** On Thursday November 17th, 2016, NSA Director Mike Rogers traveled to New York and met with President-Elect Donald Trump.
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**On Friday November 18th The Washington Post reported on a recommendation in “October” that Mike Rogers be removed from his NSA position:
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The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.
The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
…] In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters. (link)
Remember, historically The Washington Post is the preferred outlet for the CIA and Intelligence Community within Deep State to dump their “leaks” and stories. The State Department “leaks” to CNN for the same purposes.
On Saturday November 19th Reuters reported on the WaPo Story and additional pressure by Defense Secretary Ash Carter and DNI James Clapper to fire Mike Rogers.
…] The Washington Post reported that a decision by Rogers to travel to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday without notifying superiors caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, but the recommendation to remove him predated his visit. (link)
The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016. ** It was denied.**
In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.
At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.
A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers.
Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists. After the October spying operation went into effect, Rogers unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective. 10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.
Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by President Obama?
….Seems likely.
Mike Rogers - CNNInterestingly, at the EXACT SAME TIME, just before NSA Rogers visited Trump Tower, another Mike Rogers – the former House intelligence Chairman who retired after lying about the Benghazi fiasco – was kicked off the Trump transition team on intelligence. No one could figure out why he was kicked out. However, if you’ve read the Benghazi Brief you know how damaged, corrupted and untrustworthy Chairman Mike Rogers was – as he previously sat on the oversight gang of eight.
If I were a wagering person, I’d say NSA Rogers was only going to meet with President-Elect Trump if the ears of the corrupted, dangerous and easily blackmailed Mike Rogers were gone.
Posted on March 3, 2017
Sometimes the utilization of Timelines means you have to look at the new information with a keen awareness of specific events. In hindsight, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers may have notified Team Trump of Obama’s Intelligence Community (James Clapper and John Brennan) spying on their activity.
As you look at the FISA request dates below, it’s important to note that NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers would be keenly aware of both the June request – Denied, and the October request – Granted. Pay specific attention to the October request. “October”!.
June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.
October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.
On Tuesday November 8th, 2016 the election was held. Results announced Wednesday November 9th, 2016.NSA Director Rogers participates in session at Intelligence and National Security Summit in Washington♦** On Thursday November 17th, 2016, NSA Director Mike Rogers traveled to New York and met with President-Elect Donald Trump.
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**On Friday November 18th The Washington Post reported on a recommendation in “October” that Mike Rogers be removed from his NSA position:**
The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.
The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
…] In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters. (link)
Remember, historically The Washington Post is the preferred outlet for the CIA and Intelligence Community within Deep State to dump their “leaks” and stories. The State Department “leaks” to CNN for the same purposes.
On Saturday November 19th Reuters reported on the WaPo Story and additional pressure by Defense Secretary Ash Carter and DNI James Clapper to fire Mike Rogers.…] The Washington Post reported that a decision by Rogers to travel to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday without notifying superiors caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, but the recommendation to remove him predated his visit. (link)
The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016. ** It was denied.**
In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.
At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.
A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers.
Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists. After the October spying operation went into effect, Rogers unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective. 10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.
Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by President Obama?
….Seems likely.
Mike Rogers - CNNInterestingly, at the EXACT SAME TIME, just before NSA Rogers visited Trump Tower, another Mike Rogers – the former House intelligence Chairman who retired after lying about the Benghazi fiasco – was kicked off the Trump transition team on intelligence. No one could figure out why he was kicked out. However, if you’ve read the Benghazi Brief you know how damaged, corrupted and untrustworthy Chairman Mike Rogers was – as he previously sat on the oversight gang of eight.
If I were a wagering person, I’d say NSA Rogers was only going to meet with President-Elect Trump if the ears of the corrupted, dangerous and easily blackmailed Mike Rogers were gone.
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Monte_RCMS
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In the DC Swamp everyone has “black files” on everyone else, and they use them for leverage. The thicker the file the more leverage is carried by the holder. Swamp leverage is blackmail material which is traded like currency to achieve goals and objectives. That’s why the Clinton’s and Obama’s are so at home there.
….That reality is also why President Trump is a risk, because no-one has leverage on him; and additionally the reason why military outsiders are viewed more favorably by Trump.
….That reality is also why President Trump is a risk, because no-one has leverage on him; and additionally the reason why military outsiders are viewed more favorably by Trump.
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Monte_RCMS
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You are correct.
Trump knew all this and kept it in reserve to see what happens next.
Soros is spending $70 million to pay for and foment violent protests.
Soros is a naturalized U.S. citizen and there is an Interpol warrant for him to be sent to Hungary. He should be sent back.
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Monte_RCMS
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Putin arranged for Hillary Clinton to receive $140 million in return for transferring 20% of U.S. Uranium to Russia.
So, Hillary was in Russia’s pocket.
It was ASSUMED that Hillary would win the election.
Didn’t work out that way.
So, the Democrats are trying to recycle their writing by projecting THEIR treason onto Trump.
But it’s not working out that way.
[nice try, but close only counts in horseshoes and dancing.]
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mwigs
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Wrong.
Go back to my post. I didn’t quote what you are claiming from the March 4th article. This is an exact quote from the article though: “His aides declined to clarify on Saturday whether the president’s allegations were based on briefings from intelligence or law enforcement officials — which could mean that Mr. Trump was revealing previously unknown details about the investigation — or on something else, like a news report.” " If Mr. Trump was motivated to take to Twitter after reading the Breitbart article or listening to Mr. Levin, he was using a presidential megaphone to spread dark theories of a broad conspiracy aimed at undermining his presidential ambitions, and later his presidency."
The article also does talk of Trump claiming without evidence the Obama administration tapped several of his associates: “During the 2016 campaign, the federal authorities began an investigation into links between Trump associates and the Russian government, an issue that continues to dog Mr. Trump.” "“There are transcripts that provide very helpful, very critical insights into whether or not Russian intelligence or senior Russian political leaders — including Vladimir Putin — were cooperating, were colluding, with the Trump campaign at the highest levels to influence the outcome of our election,” Mr. Coons told Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC. “I believe they exist.”
It’s not fake and further if you read the other NYT article which I linked the point was to point out the claim that they NYT reported on the FISA applications and wiretapping as well as a computer server belonging to Trump, and are now the NYT is claiming there has been little evidence provided – whether in regards to wiretapping Trumps associates or any personal property for that matter belonging to Trump even though they themselves the NYT reported on such. In fact the March 4th article it even states “Mr. Trump appeared on Saturday to suggest that warrants had been issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. He claimed that the Obama administration had once been “turned down by court” in its supposed efforts to listen in on conversations by Mr. Trump and his associates.” The article also states "In the fall, the F.B.I. examined computer data showing an odd stream of activity** between a Trump Organization server** and Alfa Bank, one of Russia’s biggest banks, whose owners have longstanding links to Mr. Putin. While some F.B.I. officials initially believed that the computer activity indicated an encrypted channel between Moscow and New York, the bureau ultimately moved away from that view. The activity remains unexplained."So they are saying Trump “suggests” there were warrants from the FISA court, but yet again the NYT reported that there were FISA applications and they suggest the FBI examined a server belonging to Trump. but yet says Trump provided no evidence that he was “tapped” or under surveillance. That’s were the NYT is clearly contradicting their own reporting.
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dvdjs
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Lots of fun from a blogger. But this has already been discussed on the thread, eg post #365.
Whatever fantasies the blogger writes, the razor of Occam would have that he went to see Trump about his job.
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Michael68
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The same thing with Sessions and diplomacy as a senator. Please quit losing your grasp!
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dvdjs
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The straw man argument that you bring in from the alt-right sites is that the NYT contradicted itself: it had previously reported on the subject of wiretaps and now claims there is not evidence for them.
That is untrue. The artice is clear that what there is no evidence for are the claims of Trump. I understand that when Trump goes all a’twitter minions hve their work cutout for them to make it look like he was making sense. It’s a tough life, especially since it is so easy for others to see right though this.
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dvdjs
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Not quite.
Sessions met with a relatively large number of diplomats over the the last year. Many more than is typical for a Senator and for him, in particular, as senator. It was because of his leadership role in the government AND in the Trump campaign. Nothing untoward about that.
What raises alarms is his evasion of disclosure, especially within the context of the investigations of connections of the Trump team to Russia that go outside the realm of standard international relations.
He has been around the block, legally. He spoke forcefully about the importance of accurate testimony at the time of Clinton’s impeachment. Why didn’t he get his testimony right on the first try?
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dvdjs
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What is “correct” is that some blogger did indeed make this up. But then, so what?
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Michael68
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What raises alarms is the stupid question from Franken and the meltdown that followed as if orchestrated!
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dvdjs
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It was the answer that was stupid. That is why Sessions wants a do-over.
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dvdjs
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You might like to read up on this matter, if you are interested in discipliningg your post witht eh truth.
If any responsible persons think this was treason, then they are welcome to try to bring a case. This is pure nonsense.
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Michael68
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So we should not investigate Obama’s and Hillary’s ties to Russia? Trying to understand your hypocrisy, if that’s possible.
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dvdjs
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Investigate away.
Find facts and stick to them.
What M-RCMS posted deviated sharply from the body of pertinent facts.
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Xystus
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newsmax.com/Politics/Judge-Napolitano-Presidents-Wiretap-Americans/2017/03/07/id/777309/
I apologize if this has been posted already, i have not read though all 31 pages
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Jeanne_S
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Yet they will keep trying…
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