Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

[Peebo]

I think you are overstating the emotions of those ,myself included,who support President Trump. As has been stated numerous times on this Forum by others’ and myself,he was the lesser of two deeply flawed candidates.The only option was to vote for him because he at least offered the hope and promise of putting forth initiaves that align with Conervatives and Catholic/ Christians alike.
It is a sad commentary on the nature of politics in our country that the best that was offered were HC andcDTDT was a reaction to the status quo.The Republicans for the most part brought this on themselves.They love to eat their own.

I agree that he was the candidate who at least said he would appoint Supreme Court judges in the hope that Roe v Wade might be overturned…he wasn’t my choice for President but was better than the alternative…that was my main reason voting for him…and while he may have put forth initiatives that supported conservative views I think you’re drawing a long bow to suggest his policies align with the Catholic Church…two of his major policies… Immigration and Healthcare are at odds with his Holiness Pope Francis…and the United States Council of Catholic Bishops…and while Catholics don’t have to agree with either…it does show that there are Catholics whose conservative views “trump” the views of the Catholic Church…and that applies also to liberal Catholic who support views that are opposite to the Catholic Church…and yes for those reasons I do believe that politics has become a form of religion for some here in the US because they only agree with the church if it fits into their political beliefs…maybe that’s why we’re in the mess we are.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I agree that he was the candidate who at least said he would appoint Supreme Court judges in the hope that Roe v Wade might be overturned…he wasn’t my choice for President but was better than the alternative…that was my main reason voting for him…and while he may have put forth initiatives that supported conservative views I think you’re drawing a long bow to suggest his policies align with the Catholic Church…two of his major policies… Immigration and Healthcare are at odds with his Holiness Pope Francis…and the United States Council of Catholic Bishops…and while Catholics don’t have to agree with either…it does show that there are Catholics whose conservative views “trump” the views of the Catholic Church…and that applies also to liberal Catholic who support views that are opposite to the Catholic Church…and yes for those reasons I do believe that politics has become a form of religion for some here in the US because they only agree with the church if it fits into their political beliefs…maybe that’s why we’re in the mess we are.

I’m not sure we know enough about Pope Francis’ views of specific policies to know whether Trump’s policies are in line with the Pope’s in detail or not. The Pope has said we should welcome the immigrant, but he has also said a nation has a right to control its borders. And I doubt he would say a nation has no right to protect its citizens.

So, does that mean the Pope favors open admission of people about whom we know nothing and that come from a terrorist-ridden part of the world, or does he mean we should admit them regardless of number, only after thorough vetting, or does he mean we should figure out the number our society can support after vetting, and does he really mean we should not create a special category for Christian and other minority religion victims of genocide? Would he have said that regarding Jews in the 1930s?

I don’t know. And I don’t know whether anybody else does either, besides the Pope himself.

 

[mwigs]

Stop the games. I have noted this multiple times.

I’ve noted multiple times direct quotes from the articles,which speak for themselves. I’m not the one playing “games” here.

1. The pertinent discussion in the talks Trump et al presenting no evidence, and talks about Trump AND his associates not OR.

No. OR is included since the discussion of Trump’s associates have been brought up and is relevant to the NYT article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html

Yes, they should and they should read all the other articles from NYT as well. Like these ones.

mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Fmichael-s.-schmidt&action=click&contentCollection=undefined&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=collection&referer=https://www.nytimes.com/by/michael-s-schmidt

mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Fmichael-s.-schmidt&action=click&contentCollection=undefined&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=18&pgtype=collection&referer=

Funny how they edited the headline.
nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html

nytimes.com/2017/01/20/public-editor/trump-russia-fbi-liz-spayd-public-editor.html

“One vein of reporting centered on a possible channel of communication between a Trump organization computer server and a Russian bank with ties to Vladimir Putin. Another source was offering The Times salacious material describing an odd cross-continental dance between Trump and Moscow. The most damning claim was that Trump was aware of Russia’s efforts to hack Democratic computers, an allegation with implications of treason.”"But The Times knew several critical facts: the F.B.I. had a sophisticated investigation underway on Trump’s organization, possibly including FISA warrants.****"That gave The Times cover to write what it knew about the bureau’s investigation into the bank server."

nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html

Trump: “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower just before the victory…” Notice “wires-tapped” is in quotes, note Trump says “Trump Tower” as well.

But let’s put qualifiers on everything.
Trump wasn’t personally wiretapped. - Even though the NYT wrote about his bank server being wiretapped as well as Trump Tower…
Obama didn’t personally wiretap Trump.
I guess then:
Nixon didn’t personally burgle the DNC.
If Obama did nothing wrong, then Nixon did nothing wrong.

 

[dvdjs]

I’ve noted multiple times direct quotes from the articles,which speak for themselves.

After a few exchanges, it is hard to tell what is what. So I think that on this point we are discussing:

NYT articles on numerous occasions mentioned and or referred to “wiretaps” and FISA applications on Trump associates as well as a Trump server.

This is a fact that is not in dispute. I have agreed to this limited point many times.

No. OR is included since the discussion of Trump’s associates have been brought up and is relevant to the NYT article.

That is not for you to say. The NYT didn’t include it in the the discussion of what Trump brought up in his tweets, and for which neither he nor the WH produced evidence. You are putting words in their mouth to prove their words wrong. Straw man. Sad.

Yes, they should and they should read all the other articles from NYT as well. Like these ones.

Great links to great reporting.
If you still think there is something to pursue, with all of this at you fingertips, why not just quote passages A and B that you claim are in contradiction. Very simple.

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One vein of reporting centered on a possible channel of communication between a Trump organization computer server and a Russian bank with ties to Vladimir Putin. Another source was offering The Times salacious material describing an odd cross-continental dance between Trump and Moscow. The most damning claim was that Trump was aware of Russia’s efforts to hack Democratic computers, an allegation with implications of treason.""But The Times knew several critical facts: the F.B.I. had a sophisticated investigation underway on Trump’s organization, possibly including FISA warrants.****"That gave The Times cover to write what it knew about the bureau’s investigation into the bank server."

This is especially nice. It is not NYT reporting but an report of the public editor on the reporting. She is indicting that the NYT had information, but felt that it did not rise to their standards to report it. She thinks they should reported it, but does not get into the specifics of why the NYT held back. She hedges, describing the investigations of Trump’s organization (sadly not specifying campaign or business) as “possibly including” FISA warrants. I coudl see why the NYT did not report on that “possibility”. Overall, this about something that she says if not certain and that the NYT did not publish.
I have no idea why you quoted it.

Trump: “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower just before the victory…” Notice “wires-tapped” is in quotes, note Trump says “Trump Tower” as well.

1. He made other tweets in the series that help illuminate his meaning. “Obama was tapping my phones”.
2. I have already stipulated that the tweet style is so ingeniously ambiguous that whatever the truth turns out to be, trump and co., will say - see that what DJT said all long.
3. I think the Weekly Standard article says it well: if Trump has something, it is huge. But the likelihood - from all of the other false stuff he tweets* - is that he doesn’t. And if he made such a serious charge, without the goods to back it up, well, that is also yuge.

• Today’s bologna: “122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!”

 

[Crucesignatus]

So far all of Trump’s accusations have been true, so no doubt this one is true aswell - especially since it’s about Barack Hussein Obama.

 

[Catholic_Unity]

CONFIRMED! JEFF SESSIONS TO AUTHORIZE ARRESTS IN WASHINGTON DC PEDO RING

Following the confirmation of Senator Jeff Sessions as the next attorney general, a series of mass arrests of politicians connected to a Washington D.C. pedophile ring is expected to begin in a matter of days.

theusa-info.com/confirmed-jef…n-dc-pedo-ring

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Investigate away.
Find facts and stick to them.
What M-RCMS posted deviated sharply from the body of pertinent facts.

Putin contributed to Hillary’s campaign, it turns out, which some people in conspiratorial forums I occasionally frequent are salivating over, this implying for them that the whole talk of Trump and Putin having a “bromance” was bunk. Do not know if that last thing is true or not, but Trump zealots sure have seized on that fact and have rolled with it.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

CONFIRMED! JEFF SESSIONS TO AUTHORIZE ARRESTS IN WASHINGTON DC PEDO RING

Following the confirmation of Senator Jeff Sessions as the next attorney general, a series of mass arrests of politicians connected to a Washington D.C. pedophile ring is expected to begin in a matter of days.

theusa-info.com/confirmed-jef…n-dc-pedo-ring

If true, then Pizzagate may not be just a stupid conspiracy theory. May God reign for ever and ever, hallelujah. :harp:

And those "experts on all networks who poo-pooed this----may they skulk away in shame. Shame.

May God have mercy on them.

 

[chero23]

CONFIRMED! JEFF SESSIONS TO AUTHORIZE ARRESTS IN WASHINGTON DC PEDO RING

Following the confirmation of Senator Jeff Sessions as the next attorney general, a series of mass arrests of politicians connected to a Washington D.C. pedophile ring is expected to begin in a matter of days.

theusa-info.com/confirmed-jef…n-dc-pedo-ring

The site said error.

But I did look it up through google, and it said that approximately 30% of DC might be involved in this probe. I have a feeling that conservatives and democrats will be involved.

 

[chero23]

So far all of Trump’s accusations have been true, so no doubt this one is true aswell - especially since it’s about Barack Hussein Obama.

Really?

What accusation has Trump said right?

He just states it, gets people talking and goes on to another topic.

Remember what he said about McCain not being a real hero.
Remember when he said Ted Cruz father had something to do with JFK’s assassination. Where is the proof? He talks, gets people going then goes onto another topic

 

[BoomBoomMancini]

If true, then Pizzagate may not be just a stupid conspiracy theory. May God reign for ever and ever, hallelujah. :harp:

And those "experts on all networks who poo-pooed this----may they skulk away in shame. Shame.

May God have mercy on them.

That site does not look super reputable. One story is a clearly photoshopped image of Trump wearing an enormous medal. It appears to be, as the kids say, fake news.

 

[J_Peterson]

CONFIRMED! JEFF SESSIONS TO AUTHORIZE ARRESTS IN WASHINGTON DC PEDO RING

Following the confirmation of Senator Jeff Sessions as the next attorney general, a series of mass arrests of politicians connected to a Washington D.C. pedophile ring is expected to begin in a matter of days.

theusa-info.com/confirmed-jef…n-dc-pedo-ring

If this is true, who would think it’s a bad thing (besides those arrested of course)? Does this make Trumps claims more credible?

 

[Jeanne_S]

If true, then Pizzagate may not be just a stupid conspiracy theory. May God reign for ever and ever, hallelujah. :harp:

And those "experts on all networks who poo-pooed this----may they skulk away in shame. Shame.

May God have mercy on them.

If you look up a Comet Ping Pong Pizza ,the resturant in question,make note of the signage on the resturant.Comet Pizza ,yet rather than depicting a comet(s) around the name,there are the crescent moon and star symbol,surrounding the name.These are Satanic symbols.
Innocent design,. Maybe,maybe not…

 

[Inisfallen]

If you look up a comet Ping Pong Pizza ,the resturant in question,make note of the signage on the resturant.Comet Pizza ,yet rather than depicting a comet(s) around the name,there are the crescent moon and star symbol,surrounding the name.These are Satanic symbols.
Innocent design,or is it?

A heavily-armed lunatic (or a freedom-loving patriot exercising his Second Amendment rights, depending on how you look at it) has investigated Comet Pizza, and found nothing.

 

[Catholic_Unity]

A heavily-armed lunatic (or a freedom-loving patriot exercising his Second Amendment rights, depending on how you look at it) has investigated Comet Pizza, and found nothing.

You are lying.

 

[Inisfallen]

If you look up a Comet Ping Pong Pizza ,the resturant in question,make note of the signage on the resturant.Comet Pizza ,yet rather than depicting a comet(s) around the name,there are the crescent moon and star symbol,surrounding the name.These are Satanic symbols.
Innocent design,. Maybe,maybe not…

Right, 'cause that’s just what a lair for a pedophile ring reaching to the highest levels of government would do – put it right on the sign, out front, for everyone to see.

 

[kat07]

This is especially nice. It is not NYT reporting but an report of the public editor on the reporting. She is indicting that the NYT had information, but felt that it did not rise to their standards to report it. She thinks they should reported it, but does not get into the specifics of why the NYT held back. She hedges, describing the investigations of Trump’s organization (sadly not specifying campaign or business) as “possibly including” FISA warrants. I coudl see why the NYT did not report on that “possibility”. Overall, this about something that she says if not certain and that the NYT did not publish. I have no idea why you quoted it."

The New York Times didn’t hold back and did write about the bank server back in November, and the reporter Liz Spayd states they did in the article posted by mwigs. That’s the reason for the quote and maybe because the bank server may belong to Trump or the Trump Organization?

Here’s the November NYT’s article re: the bank server, email communications and investigations into connections between Trump personally and Russia. This is the article Liz Spayd referred to in her article.
nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html

And this article hits the NYT’s and MSM’s reporting.
dailywire.com/news/14160/levin-media-wont-investigate-its-own-reporting-robert-kraychik#

 

[Inisfallen]

You are lying.

Nope.

washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2016/12/04/d-c-police-respond-to-report-of-a-man-with-a-gun-at-comet-ping-pong-restaurant/?utm_term=.eec88cca7e2e

 

[J_Peterson]

You are lying.

This didn’t happen?

Accused ‘Pizzagate’ shooter faces federal charges

We are truly through the looking glass with this thread.

 

[Catholic_Unity]

Nope.

washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2016/12/04/d-c-police-respond-to-report-of-a-man-with-a-gun-at-comet-ping-pong-restaurant/?utm_term=.eec88cca7e2e

Comet Ping Pong False Flag Was Attack on Alt Media #PizzaGate
youtube.com/watch?v=s3I9ZYxmM6U