Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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2_RollinStoned said:
No evidence…yet. That investigation is just getting started.
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The investigation has been going on for 8 months, this will not play out like the liberals hope. The Rolling Stone has an excellent article how this will be a potential “minefield” for Democrats, even some Democrats are now making excuses and pulling their support for an investigation.

thehill.com/homenews/house/323546-dems-well-pull-support-from-russia-probe-if-its-not-done-legitimately

rollingstone.com/politics/taibbi-russia-story-is-a-minefield-for-democrats-and-the-media-w471074

Let’s not forget the reports that “according to US officials who have been briefed Russian hackers tried to penetrate Republican National Committee computer networks too.” But yea the “Russians” were only out to get Hillary. And of course there is even James Clapper saying there is no evidence.

abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-spy-chief-evidence-trump-campaign-aides-recruited/story?id=46013305
 
TMC said:
Trump has reiterated that he stands by his accusations, according to his spokesperson. He told Tucker Carlson that he has some kind of evidence that he will provide when he wants to,
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He has said before that he has evidence of so.easy claim that he has made that he will provide at a later date and then usually never provides that evidence. I suggest giving zero weight to evidence not presented and not known to exists.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
He has said before that he has evidence of so.easy claim that he has made that he will provide at a later date and then usually never provides that evidence. I suggest giving zero weight to evidence not presented and not known to exist.
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He will give it at the right moment when he has to. Not difficult to get the evidence really. Even the FBI would not deny the wiretapping categorically. But probably it involves sensitive material that may compromise the Intelligent Agency.
 
Reuben_J said:
He will give it at the right moment when he has to. Not difficult to get the evidence really. Even the FBI would not deny the wiretapping categorically. But probably it involves sensitive material that may compromise the Intelligent Agency.
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That’s really your take on this? You believe that Trump has this evidence but just is waiting for “the right time?”

Please. . . . .
 
ThinkingSapien said:
Since he hasn’t his claim is one that can only be accepted Sola fide.
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Bingo.
But from Trump’s perspective, he needs to keep the charge simmering and never come through with facts - which may not make the case. Works for the believers.
 
ringil said:
That’s really your take on this? You believe that Trump has this evidence but just is waiting for “the right time?”

Please. . . . .
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Yes, Trump has evidence about Obama’s wiretapping just as he had evidence about his birther claims regarding Obama and evidence concerning Muslims in New Jersey who were cheering the 9/11 attacks. And Trump is waiting for the right time just as he is still waiting for the right time to release his prior tax returns. The man fabricates stories of all kinds. I guess in this sense he is indeed qualified as a politician, if not a president.
 
dvdjs said:
Bingo.
But from Trump’s perspective, he needs to keep the charge simmering and never come through with facts - which may not make the case. Works for the believers.
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ThinkingSapien said:
It certainly does. He’s done this before and it’s worked.

In an unrelated topic let’s all turn to the book of Exodus to read our verse of the day. Exodus chapter 20 verse 16.
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I hope you remember all this since we’ve been waiting months for evidence Russia caused Hillary to lose. Still zero
 
ProVobis said:
Caused? I believe the word most commonly used is “influenced.”
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Welll, I figure since yall still can’t believe Hillary legitimately lost, all this Russian deflection must mean yall think Russia caused her to lose since obviously the smartest most qualified woman to ever run lost. It can’t be her fault
 
Michael68 said:
I hope you remember all this since we’ve been waiting months for evidence Russia caused Hillary to lose. Still zero
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That doesn’t seem to address the topic of this thread at all. Nor does it seem to have any impact on or address what I’ve said.
 
Michael68 said:
I knew that was coming. Continue with your hypocrisy about evidence
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Michael, it seems that you want to have a discussion that’s different than what’s indicated by the topic of this thread. I think that you can have that discussion if you start a new thread with a link to a recent article on what you wish to discuss. I both disagree with your claim that it’s a hyprocrity to stay on topic and recognize it as an ad hominem response and not an actual argument against what I’ve said.
 
Michael68 said:
Welll, I figure since yall still can’t believe Hillary legitimately lost, all this Russian deflection must mean yall think Russia caused her to lose since obviously the smartest most qualified woman to ever run lost. It can’t be her fault
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If Clinton undermined the Russians in any way, that sets up motive to retaliate. I’m not defending Clinton if this is true. But then I won’t defend Trump when he insults the leaders in Mexico or Australia either.
 
Michael68 said:
Welll, I figure since yall still can’t believe Hillary legitimately lost, all this Russian deflection must mean yall think Russia caused her to lose since obviously the smartest most qualified woman to ever run lost. It can’t be her fault
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No one here is saying that Hillary didn’t lose. Half the people who are against Trump probably didn’t like or vote for Hillary either (like me). Stop responding to an argument that no one is making. Besides, there is plenty of evidence that Russia tried to influence the election. No one is saying that Russia necessarily changed the result: just that they tried to help Trump out. Would Trump have still won without the Russian help? Maybe, maybe not.

Besides, it’s not even relevant to the topic at hand. If the discussion is “Did Trump make a BS accusation that he is now refusing to back up?” responding with, “Yeah, but the Russia connection is BS” is totally unrelated. Seriously, even if the Russian influence is complete nonsense, that has no bearing on this topic. I’m not sure why this is your go-to response for everything. C’mon man.
Reuben_J said:
He will give it at the right moment when he has to. Not difficult to get the evidence really. Even the FBI would not deny the wiretapping categorically. But probably it involves sensitive material that may compromise the Intelligent Agency.
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So why make the public accusation before you’re ready to release the evidence? Unless you’re a complete idiot, you have to know that the first question you’re going to get after making a bombshell accusation like that is, “Ok, can we see some hard evidence?”

Only a moron would make an accusation, and then go “Uh, I’ll tell you later.” when asked for evidence. If the evidence can’t be released till later, then don’t make the public accusation until you’re ready to go.

Or we could just accept the fact that Trump has zero impulse control and just says the first thing that pops into his head with zero reflection.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
That doesn’t seem to address the topic of this thread at all. Nor does it seem to have any impact on or address what I’ve said.
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It has been brought up numerous times, so it is relevant to this thread. No one initially objected to it being brought up either until now…
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
No one here is saying that Hillary didn’t lose. Half the people who are against Trump probably didn’t like or vote for Hillary either (like me). Stop responding to an argument that no one is making. Besides, there is plenty of evidence that Russia tried to influence the election. No one is saying that Russia necessarily changed the result: just that they tried to help Trump out. Would Trump have still won without the Russian help? Maybe, maybe no
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An argument no one is making? Go back and read from the beginning of this thread. What is the plenty of evidence you claim that shows Russia tried to influence the election? Please enlighten us and enlighten us on the fact they tried to help Trump out. It’s absolutely an asinine to think Russia would prefer Trump to Hillary on so many levels. But let’s see this hard evidence you make claims about.
BoomBoomMancini said:
Besides, it’s not even relevant to the topic at hand. If the discussion is “Did Trump make a BS accusation that he is now refusing to back up?” responding with, “Yeah, but the Russia connection is BS” is totally unrelated.
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It is related now since it has been brought up numerous times by many on this thread. There was no initial objection to it either.
BoomBoomMancini said:
Seriously, even if the Russian influence is complete nonsense, that has no bearing on this topic. I’m not sure why this is your go-to response for everything. C’mon man.
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So now you are saying “even if” the Russian influence is complete non-sense, what happened to “there is plenty of evidence.” C’mon man!
BoomBoomMancini said:
So why make the public accusation before you’re ready to release the evidence? Unless you’re a complete idiot, you have to know that the first question you’re going to get after making a bombshell accusation like that is, “Ok, can we see some hard evidence?”
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There are many reasons, legal including, why you wouldn’t release the evidence initially they have all been outlined already on this thread. Go back and read. Likewise can we see some hard evidence to your claim there is “plenty of evidence” that Russia influenced the election to help Trump.
BoomBoomMancini said:
Only a moron would make an accusation, and then go “Uh, I’ll tell you later.” when asked for evidence. If the evidence can’t be released till later, then don’t make the public accusation until you’re ready to go.
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Only a moron wouldn’t understand that it was brilliant and a dish served at the perfect time.
 
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