Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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mwigs said:
An argument no one is making? Go back and read from the beginning of this thread. What is the plenty of evidence you claim that shows Russia tried to influence the election? Please enlighten us and enlighten us on the fact they tried to help Trump out. It’s absolutely an asinine to think Russia would prefer Trump to Hillary on so many levels. But let’s see this hard evidence you make claims about.
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Ok, I’ll do your homework for you on this side issue:
  1. Let’s start with the intelligence community assessment which stated that: “Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Hillary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.”
  2. The DNC email hack has been linked to Russian intelligence. theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/26/dnc-email-leak-russian-hack-guccifer-2 See also: bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-30/russia-s-grizzly-steppe-cyberattacks-started-simply-u-s-says
  3. Former Trump senior leaders like Manafort and Cage have been paid a lot of money by Russia/Russian funded groups.
Now, look, you might find this unconvincing. You might argue that the IC is wrong or biased. Fine. But stop going, “Oh, there’s no reason to think that Russia might have tried to influence the election.” You’re the one disagreeing with NSA/CIA/DHS/DIA/FBI etc on the issue of cyber intrusion. If you think you’re right and they’re wrong, fine. They’re not infallible. But you have some burden of proof here.

Now let’s go back to how Trump is playing three dimensional chess while the rest of us are playing checkers or whatever the latest attempt to make sense of his ravings is.
mwigs said:
So now you are saying “even if” the Russian influence is complete non-sense, what happened to “there is plenty of evidence.” C’mon man!
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Do you really not understand what a hypothetical is? Have you never heard someone say “Let’s assume for the sake of argument…”

I’m saying that even if the Russian influence is false, it has no bearing on whether Trump made a wild accusation that he now can’t substantiate.
 
cnn.com/2017/03/17/politics/donald-trump-angela-merkel/index.html

Trump tells Merkel: ‘At least we have something in common’ about wiretapping

President Donald Trump finally addressed his claim that his White House predecessor wiretapped him Friday, joking that he and German Chancellor Angela Merkel had “something in common, perhaps.”

The President was asked by a German reporter why his White House had cited a Fox News report that claimed that the British surveillance agency GCHQ had been used to wiretap Trump Tower during the election campaign.
He did not apologize to the British government after it said that the report of UK surveillance was “ridiculous.”
Turning to Merkel, who was angry to find out after leaks by Edward Snowden that the US National Security Agency had tapped her phone, Trump said “at least we have something in common”.
 
randomuser said:
He should also be mature enough to shake hands with a foreign Head of State he meets at the WH. You Trump fans sure picked a winner with this guy. First time a POTUS refuses to shake hands with his counterpart? Embarrassing…
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Really? I’d be embarrassed if I had voted for Hillary.

How did Trump REFUSE to shake her hand? If he did shake her hand, you’d be complainging that he did it in the wrong way, in a mysoginist way or condescending way. Or he didn’t look at her the way Obama would, or some other such thing.

It’s entertaining and indeed embarrassing that the losers of this election can’t live one day without venting their hatred of Trump, in every little thing that he does or doesn’t do.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Really? I’d be embarrassed if I had voted for Hillary.

How did Trump REFUSE to shake her hand? If he did shake her hand, you’d be complainging that he did it in the wrong way, in a mysoginist way or condescending way. Or he didn’t look at her the way Obama would, or some other such thing.

It’s entertaining and indeed embarrassing that the losers of this election can’t live one day without venting their hatred of Trump, in every little thing that he does or doesn’t do.
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OK, so the handshake thing was a little odd. I don’t attach any particular significance to it, though. Certainly not misogynistic or whatever.

I would note that Trump does not seem super-comfortable with all the handshaking. He seems awkward at it, and uncomfortable doing it. I don’t blame him one bit. Career politicians are used to it, I guess. I would find it awkward, too. Its actually one of the few things about him that I find authentic and endearing - that he doesn’t like having to touch all those strangers.
 
TMC said:
OK, so the handshake thing was a little odd. I don’t attach any particular significance to it, though. Certainly not misogynistic or whatever.

I would note that Trump does not seem super-comfortable with all the handshaking. He seems awkward at it, and uncomfortable doing it. I don’t blame him one bit. Career politicians are used to it, I guess. I would find it awkward, too. Its actually one of the few things about him that I find authentic and endearing - that he doesn’t like having to touch all those strangers.
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Business people have to shake hands all the time. He’s a business person from New York. They shake hands every day with lots of people.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
Business people have to shake hands all the time. He’s a business person from New York. They shake hands every day with lots of people.
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Well, unless they’re Saudi princes (Saudi Arabia the country believed to be complicit in 9/11), in which case he kisses their ring. But, yes, how embarrassing for the U.S. that a “businessman” can’t lower himself to shake hands with the German chancellor. Another shameful day for U.S. diplomatic relations.
 
TMC said:
OK, so the handshake thing was a little odd. I don’t attach any particular significance to it, though. Certainly not misogynistic or whatever.

I would note that Trump does not seem super-comfortable with all the handshaking. He seems awkward at it, and uncomfortable doing it. I don’t blame him one bit. Career politicians are used to it, I guess. I would find it awkward, too. Its actually one of the few things about him that I find authentic and endearing - that he doesn’t like having to touch all those strangers.
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It’s more than odd. It’s un-presidential and embarrassing. What an insult to the German people. Was he trying to make a point by being so rude? First with Mexico, then the 2fer today insulting both Germany and Ireland (courtesy of Pence.)
 
randomuser said:
It’s more than odd. It’s un-presidential and embarrassing. What an insult to the German people. Was he trying to make a point by being so rude? First with Mexico, then the 2fer today insulting both Germany and Ireland (courtesy of Pence.)
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Lest you forget,Obama set the bar pretty low. Re rudeness.Netenyahu ring a bell?:cool:
 
randomuser said:
It’s more than odd. It’s un-presidential and embarrassing. What an insult to the German people. Was he trying to make a point by being so rude? First with Mexico, then the 2fer today insulting both Germany and Ireland (courtesy of Pence.)
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You also missed the ending of the press conference where he reached out and padded her shoulder.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
Business people have to shake hands all the time. He’s a business person from New York. They shake hands every day with lots of people.
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Trump is famously germophobic, and has a hard time shaking hands with anyone. This was well-known in New York decades ago. But now that he’s President, he has to bite the bullet and do it.

I don’t really hold it against him – nobody can help having a real phobia.
 
Inisfallen said:
Trump is famously germophobic, and has a hard time shaking hands with anyone. This was well-known in New York decades ago. But now that he’s President, he has to bite the bullet and do it.

I don’t really hold it against him – nobody can help having a real phobia.
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Or could it be he simply didn’t see her trying to shake his hand at that moment?
 
Jeanne_S said:
Lest you forget,Obama set the bar pretty low. Re rudeness.Netenyahu ring a bell?:cool:
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Or when Obama had Chinese dlplomats enter the White House by the garbage dumpsters. Yeah, Obama was real presidential as he bowed to the Saudis
 
queenofheartscv said:
Or could it be he simply didn’t see her trying to shake his hand at that moment?
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Could be. I don’t know. I don’t think it’s that important.

I’m simply stating that Trump is known to have a phobia about shaking hands. I’m actually pretty sympathetic. I’m defending him, if you hadn’t noticed.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Really? I’d be embarrassed if I had voted for Hillary.

How did Trump REFUSE to shake her hand? If he did shake her hand, you’d be complainging that he did it in the wrong way, in a mysoginist way or condescending way. Or he didn’t look at her the way Obama would, or some other such thing.

It’s entertaining and indeed embarrassing that the losers of this election can’t live one day without venting their hatred of Trump, in every little thing that he does or doesn’t do.
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I agree, handshaking means little.

But, boy, that body language speaks volumes.

So who’s doing the hating here?

Bush turned to our allies for help after 9/11. The question is will we have any when we need them, and we will.
 
queenofheartscv said:
More proof that Trump did shake her hand.

theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/17/president-trump-and-chancellor-merkel-press-conference-march-17th/#comments
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Ah, but remember that since the primaries (and way before), Trump has been self-conscious about the size of his hands. So apparently he doesn’t want to do anything that might call attention to them.

Just JOKING! In my view, this is such a non-issue. I can hardly believe we’re paying so much attention to it.
 
meltzerboy said:
Ah, but remember that since the primaries (and way before), Trump has been self-conscious about the size of his hands. So apparently he doesn’t want to do anything that might call attention to them.

Just JOKING! In my view, this is such a non-issue. I can hardly believe we’re paying so much attention to it.
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It’s only because the media and certain posters here are fixated on anything and everything they could use to label Trump as a disgrace and national embarrassment.
 
queenofheartscv said:
It’s only because the media and certain posters here are fixated on anything and everything they could use to label Trump as a disgrace and national embarrassment.
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That’s your belief. Check the international world for the real impact.
 
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