Trump Alarms Lawmakers With Disparaging Words for Haiti and Africa

[Theo520]

Post them. …

I think they’ve been posted several times.

Why are you commenting without reading what went on in the meeting?

 

[Zzyzx_Road]

Through Google Earth??

Is that as close as you have been with persons from Haiti,Africa…" this kind of people ".?

Have video games affected the brain or what?

Retract that video games accusation.
I have worked in the Somalians’ neighborhood in Minneapolis. Would be darn hard to deny they have a lot more issues than my own forefathers did. What have you done?

 

[stinkcat_14]

Retracted. But pray tell, how should we be considering people who want to come here if the right is not automatic?

We look at the skills they bring to the table. In addition, bringing someone here is not a permanent commitment.

Nobody has been able to answer the question to your satisfaction because you are so opposed to such considerations that it is not possible to get you to reconsider your position.

I am open to hearing a coherent argument. Nobody has offered a coherent argument as to why the country of origin should matter.

 

[Theo520]

I am open to hearing a coherent argument. Nobody has offered a coherent argument as to why the country of origin should matter.

The Dems in the DACA meeting clearly thought country of origin mattered, and Haitians should get preferential treatment of visa allocation.

That’s how Haiti became a topic of discussion in a meeting expressly on DACA

 

[stinkcat_14]

The Dems in the DACA meeting clearly thought country of origin mattered, and Haitians should get preferential treatment of visa allocation.

I disagree with the dems, but that shouldn’t surprise you.

 

[Zzyzx_Road]

We look at the skills they bring to the table. In addition, bringing someone here is not a permanent commitment.

In large part, with the exception of the much-abused H1-B program, the L-1 visa and maybe some smaller exception programs, we do NOT look at their skills. Chain migrants are admitted almost solely on their relationship to the original migrant who petitions for them. That’s something that has to stop.

 

[Theo520]

I disagree with the dems, but that shouldn’t surprise you.

So you are on Trump’s side in this case, you just would have told them to ‘piss off’ more eloquently,
probably with a better argument than his Norway one.

 

[Zzyzx_Road]

I am open to hearing a coherent argument. Nobody has offered a coherent argument as to why the country of origin should matter.

Because the culture of that country matters when it comes to considering how well the applicant might assimilate versus how much public support he or she needs. Some countries have produced better migrants than others; I should think that is not in dispute.

 

[Theo520]

Because the culture of that country matters when it comes to considering how well the applicant might assimilate versus how much public support he or she needs. Some countries have produced better migrants than others; I should think that is not in dispute.

We only need to refer to what’s being used already. I think our elected Dem reps were arguing that Haitians deserve special Visa treatment exactly because their country is a s-hole.

The discussion comes full circle.

 

[stinkcat_14]

So you are on Trump’s side in this case,

No, I am not on Trump’s side either.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Because the culture of that country matters when it comes to considering how well the applicant might assimilate versus how much public support he or she needs. Some countries have produced better migrants than others; I should think that is not in dispute.

That has nothing to do however with the economic status of the country. There are plenty of countries with per capita incomes in the $1500 range that produce fine immigrants.

 

[dvdjs]

it is not possible to get you to reconsider your position.

I am have only taken the position the whether the country of origin is a $h!hole or not is not a decent criterion for informing immigration policy. It will be difficult for you to get me to reconsider that.

There are many different foreign cultures. Some of those cultures are closer to American culture than others. If you cannot agree with that much, there is nothing further to discuss.

Agreed, in part: American culture is not a monolith.

In what universe does it make sense to admit so much competition for jobs?

In a universe of very low unemployment?
BTW, this is an argument about total numbers, not country-of-origin.

This is a major reason real wages haven’t risen in inflation adjusted terms in a long time,

I think that the reason is more related toe the change in the economy favoring jobs for more highly educated people, while there remains a continuing squeeze on opportunities for low education workers. Again, please note that whatever the origin of this phenomenon, it does not make a case for considering immigration on the basis of country of origin.

 

[dvdjs]

The Dems in the DACA meeting clearly thought country of origin mattered, and Haitians should get preferential treatment of visa allocation.

Presumably, under discussion is how to deale, is how to deal with people who have been living in America for some time after having been admitted on with temporary protected status. That includes people from Haiti and El Salvador. I think the Trump administration wants to deport them in short order. I have not read about the fate of their children born here while living under TPS.

 

[dvdjs]

Chain migrants are admitted almost solely on their relationship to the original migrant who petitions for them. That’s something that has to stop.

i strongly support chain immigration. The best resettlement and assimilation program I can think if is the support of family already adapted to and doing well the new country.

This has worked well for America - even as we admitted tired, poor, huddled masses - as we tap into the energy of immigrants determined to build on the opportunity that they have been offered, coupled with the support of family as they make their start.

 

[Theo520]

Our country has loads of people living here illegally for a couple years, and we have no compunction about sending them back home.

The Dem argument is as I’ve said, Haitians deserve special treatment because their home country is a “you know what” hole.

 

[dvdjs]

living here illegally for a couple years,

How many years for TPS aliens from Haiti and El Salvador?
What would be a reasonable process for repatriation?

The Dem argument is as I’ve said, Haitians deserve special treatment because their home country is a “you know what” hole.

Yes, you have said it. But without foundation. And you appear to be conflating a policy of what to do with legal residents on TPS with applications to enter the US.

 

[dvdjs]

How many years for TPS aliens from Haiti and El Salvador?

Here is an article about aliens in the TPS program. It makes an intriguing claim about the discussion, that I have not heard before:

President Donald Trump reportedly became enraged during a bipartisan immigration meeting Thursday, after lawmakers proposed allowing long-term recipients of Temporary Protected Status (TPS) to retain legal status in return for ending the diversity visa lottery program. The president wondered aloud why the U.S. would want “all these people from shithole countries.”

Trump’s anger is confusing. He has vowed to crack down on illegal immigration, yet revoking TPS is changing the legal status of hundreds of thousands of immigrants currently living in the U.S. from legal to undocumented. And going forward, this will create a host of other problems for both these immigrants and the U.S. as a whole.

Commentary: Trump’s Bizarre Decision to Increase the Number of Undocumented Immigrants | Fortune

Trump doesn't want people from "shithole countries." But ending TPS will leave more from El Salvador and Haiti undocumented.

fortune.com

 

[graciew]

I won t.
If your President hasn’t said such kind words about our brothers and sisters then all who said them will have something to explain.
So I am waiting.
How does Google earth account for " this kind of people " ?

 

[Theo520]

The TPS program was always a temp solution to a crisis, and that crisis has passed.

If your neighbor’s house catches fire, it’s neighborly to put him up in your guest bedroom for a bit. But that shouldn’t mean he has the right to stay permanently just because he feels settled in, and your house is nicer than his.

It’s been years since the crisis passed, time to go home. People who want to stay permanently can apply like everyone else hoping to immigrate.

 

[SuperLuigi]

A person’s opinion about a country has nothing to do with race.

When people say that about places, they are talking about living conditions, not the people.