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Maybe those 3 million Clinton votes still bother him.
Trump encourages North Carolina residents to vote twice to test mail-in system
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Somehow I doubt it,I’ve heard this deratoey comment quite a bit the past four years
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Jeanne_S
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I’ll take your word for it 
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Jeanne_S
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Ohh then I wouldn’t take your word for it?
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Jeanne_S
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Well in that case,I stand by my initial comment re this person.
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Trump’s statement is not any mere impulsive, knee-jerk tweet. He desperately needs to hold onto NC for his re-election bid to be successful.
Trump’s statement is not any mere impulsive, knee-jerk tweet. He desperately needs to hold onto NC for his re-election bid to be successful.
- Trump just visited Wilmington, NC to stir up his base through patriotic dog whistling with his WWII ceremony. He first floated the idea of double-dipping the voting process to his supporters at the airport.
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Facebook, Twitter Flag Trump Posts On Mail-In Voting, Going To Polls : NPR - Trump then later tweets that people should first vote by mail, then show up at the polls and check to see if the vote’s “been counted.” If not, they should vote again in person. Obviously, many mailed in ballots are not counted until after the polls close, so there’s no way to know just showing up, if a given ballot has indeed been counted at that point in many states. Any unsuspecting person doing this is in danger of being accused of ballot fraud and can be charged with a federal crime.
- Just yesterday, 19 individuals in NC were charged with illegally voting in 2016. The timing of that with Trump’s recent and specific focus on this state are obviously linked to any but the most obtuse observer. Note that these crimes are being investigated by the DHS.
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Prosecutors charge 19 in North Carolina with voter fraud - While these 19 have been arrested, NC GOP candidate, Mark Harris, who actually hired an operative to falsify more than 900 absentee ballots to “win” the state’s 9th Congressional district in 2018, and who perjured himself later on the witness stand, has managed to walk free, minus the seat he’d thought he’d successfully stolen from his Democrat opponent. His operative took the fall and is facing multiple charges by federal prosecutors.
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A Tearful Close to North Carolina’s Election-Fraud Hearings | The New Yorker
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What is the takeaway from this? Any unsuspecting American following Trump’s advice will be in danger of committing a felony. Given that most polls show a much greater number of Biden supporters are planning to vote by mail than Trump’s supporters, it’s a curious bit of advice, indeed. I don’t think Trump is intending his supporters to actually vote by mail at all. He intended to float the idea, yet again, that mailed in votes are suspect, and to cement this by timing it with his DHS making 19 arrests the same day as his initial “vote twice” statement in Wilmington.
This is what Trump does. He floats an idea, timed with one of his agencies reinforcing it through a coincidental “discovery” of 19 people having committed ballot fraud. Never mind, that doubtlessly, this was after being ordered to scour the state for as many of these “examples” as the DHS could find, a state with 7.8 million registered voters (source: Who are North Carolina’s 7 million registered voters? | Carolina Demography), they could find fewer than 20 suspects. Never mind, either, that in the case of GOP fraud, there were over 900 ballots fraudulently altered, and many hundreds more discarded. These facts are ignored by Trump and his posse.
Finally, the fact that the 19 voters charged with illegal voting from 2016 have not been indicted as part of any larger scheme on part of the Democrats. Unlike the 2018 NC Congressional race, this particular case was not just about a fraudulent election, it was about a planned theft involving the collusion of a pastor running as a candidate (Mark Harris), his operative, and the group of people enlisted to “collect” ballots and divert or alter them.
These are the facts. But, will any of Trump’s devotees care?
What is the takeaway from this? Any unsuspecting American following Trump’s advice will be in danger of committing a felony. Given that most polls show a much greater number of Biden supporters are planning to vote by mail than Trump’s supporters, it’s a curious bit of advice, indeed. I don’t think Trump is intending his supporters to actually vote by mail at all. He intended to float the idea, yet again, that mailed in votes are suspect, and to cement this by timing it with his DHS making 19 arrests the same day as his initial “vote twice” statement in Wilmington.
This is what Trump does. He floats an idea, timed with one of his agencies reinforcing it through a coincidental “discovery” of 19 people having committed ballot fraud. Never mind, that doubtlessly, this was after being ordered to scour the state for as many of these “examples” as the DHS could find, a state with 7.8 million registered voters (source: Who are North Carolina’s 7 million registered voters? | Carolina Demography), they could find fewer than 20 suspects. Never mind, either, that in the case of GOP fraud, there were over 900 ballots fraudulently altered, and many hundreds more discarded. These facts are ignored by Trump and his posse.
Finally, the fact that the 19 voters charged with illegal voting from 2016 have not been indicted as part of any larger scheme on part of the Democrats. Unlike the 2018 NC Congressional race, this particular case was not just about a fraudulent election, it was about a planned theft involving the collusion of a pastor running as a candidate (Mark Harris), his operative, and the group of people enlisted to “collect” ballots and divert or alter them.
These are the facts. But, will any of Trump’s devotees care?
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What a joker !Tweaking the left once again!
“Hey, gang, you know what would be fun? I’m going to see how many of my supporters are willing to be charged with a felony for me!
After all, look at the ones who drank bleach after I told them to! ”Yeah, he’s a real prince of a guy.
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I’m not sure which is worse, for people to believe that the president was seriously encouraging voters to break the law, or for those same people to say that Trump supporters aren’t intelligent?
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Anyone who cares about democracy (liberal, conservative or otherwise) should be concerned about these comments. ‘Owning the libs’ isn’t worth undermining the most fundamental aspect of our democratic system.
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How many times does it need to be said to take it seriously? If you read my post, you would notice that the first source I cited states that he first made his “recommendation” to his own supporters at the airport for his Wilmington, NC rally. The second time was the tweet to everyone at large.
Regarding your second part of your comment, read what I said regarding the purpose of Trump’s very stupid suggestion:
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Oh look, Trump said it again. This time in Pennsylvania to his supporters there.
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I have one question to those who support vote by mail. (I am not asking about absentee voting)
What percentage of error is acceptable for the U.S. Presidential Election? 1%, 2%?
What percentage of error is acceptable for the U.S. Presidential Election? 1%, 2%?
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PaulinVA
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I would ask this question. What is the current “error” percentage? We learned in 2000 that votes are routinely thrown out due to illegibility or other reasons.
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Annie
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If you look at what he said: "“Let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system’s as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote,” the president said. “If it isn’t tabulated, they’ll be able to vote.”
Then you will see that he did not say vote twice.
He said vote by mail, then go to the polls to see if they will allow you to vote again, to check the validity of the system.
If I vote by mail and they allow me to vote again at the polls, then, after refusing to vote again, I will know that it is possible for one person to cast two votes.
If you look at what he said: "“Let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system’s as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote,” the president said. “If it isn’t tabulated, they’ll be able to vote.”
Then you will see that he did not say vote twice.
He said vote by mail, then go to the polls to see if they will allow you to vote again, to check the validity of the system.
If I vote by mail and they allow me to vote again at the polls, then, after refusing to vote again, I will know that it is possible for one person to cast two votes.
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Sorry. No. Trump has a fundamental misunderstanding on how absentee voting works, and how the law works.
Trump doubles down on encouraging supporters to vote twice, which is illegal
Trump appeared to justify his call to vote twice by telling rally attendees that if their mail-in ballot came in after they had voted in-person, then it would not get counted.
www.nbcnews.com
“These mail-in ballots are a disgrace and they know it. Sign your mail-in ballot. Sign it and send it in and then you have to follow it. And if on Election Day or early voting, that is not tabulated and counted, you go vote,” Trump said, reiterating a similar message he had for voters in North Carolina a day earlier.
Trump appeared to justify his call to vote twice by telling rally attendees that if their mail-in ballot came in after they had voted in-person, then it would not get counted. It is illegal to vote twice.
“They are not going to be able to tabulate it because you will have voted. You have to make sure your vote counts. The only way they are going to beat us is by doing that kind of stuff.”
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Why would mail voting be more error prone? I don’t see any evidence of that. I have voted by mail many times. Its not rare. Its not new (it started during the Civil War.) No one has had a problem with it for over 150 years. Why is it suddenly a problem now?
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ok, no evidence. A quick google search and I was able to find a recent 2020 vote by mail with voter fraud.
The question is this.
What percentage of error is allowed in the Presidential election?
www.nytimes.com
The question is this.
What percentage of error is allowed in the Presidential election?
New Local Election Ordered in N.J. After Mail-In Voter Fraud Charges (Published 2020)
A judge ruled that the election in Paterson had been irreversibly tainted. The president has used the case to assail mail-in voting as dangerous, though election experts disagree.
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So if you have no evidence that vote by mail is more error prone than vote in person, what is your point?
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