Trump or Hillary?

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Neofight said:
I would argue McCain was, but Romney ’ biggest issue with voters was just the opposite of the GOP front runners now, that being Romney lacked, or at least failed to show even a speck of passion.
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McCain was anything but rigid. He’s actually one of the last of the old somewhat moderate Republicans left. He brought whackado Palin into his ticket in '08 in part because she was more appealing to the more radical portions of the party that McCain didn’t appeal to and she helped him seem more right than he really is in historical practice. That and over his career McCain has slipped further right and back again as needed (and he’s one of those guys who actually dares on occasion to walk across the aisle to talk and get things done). I mean think back to 2000 and the primaries where he was by far the more “liberal” Republican candidate when placed back to back with Bush 2.0. McCain is a true politician in the old sense who can slide on the left-right scale as needed but he’s always seemed far more at home closer to the middle than the latest crop of Republican candidates.
 
And thank goodness, that Trump has already shrugged off these kinds of acts because Trump can not be bought. It may even help him. Oh dear, a company from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and wherever else dislikes what he said.

And vocal persons could forbid him from entering UK as has happened to others as well, let’s hope speech is not frightened by such acts.
 
QuidVeritasEst said:
Yes you can, you can vote for someone who is pro-choice, since Catholicism determines sin based on volition, not provision of society.

Would you really saddle the world with Trump just on that premise alone?
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IMO that is better than saddle the world with Hillary.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
Romney was laughably out of touch, too. That cannot be overemphasized.

Mitt saying that the Daytona 500 combined two of his favorite things–“cars and sport”–is the definitve Romney anecdote, and still kills me, almost four years after the fact
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Why? What’s wrong with that?

Oh, off-topic to Romney and Palin, I doubt if either one of them would have allowed Christians to be slaughtered in the scores. Those who dislike them may be giving them high recommendations. 👍
 
He has a fair portion of the US population hanging on his every word. Things like board games come and go, but personality cults are infinitely more lucrative. Palin attracted a lot of marks and made a lot of money with her Palin-branded web channel. If Trump, with his media savvy and capital, tried to do something along the same lines, the distribution possibilities and potential scale are limitless.
 
Crossbones said:
Or maybe Mr. Trump best represents the Republican voters and maybe he is leading because he best represents their views.
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He is certainly catering to a very specific faction of Republican voters. If he wins it may not.neccesarily because the majority shares his.view. his lead is only 30 percent which is a minority. If he wins is because the rest of the Republican voters were so split that were unable to overcome.the minority faction who shares Trump`s views.
 
marymary1975 said:
He is certainly catering to a very specific faction of Republican voters. If he wins it may not.neccesarily because the majority shares his.view. his lead is only 30 percent which is a minority. If he wins is because the rest of the Republican voters were so split that were unable to overcome.the minority faction who shares Trump`s views.
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The minority fraction of Trump’s voters which put him 10 percentage points or better than the next candidate? :hypno:
 
Trump’s not catering, he doesn’t have to do what special interests say.

No, he’s not my candidate; but I will defend someone who is unfairly pilloried.
 
marymary1975 said:
He is certainly catering to a very specific faction of Republican voters. If he wins it may not.neccesarily because the majority shares his.view. his lead is only 30 percent which is a minority. If he wins is because the rest of the Republican voters were so split that were unable to overcome.the minority faction who shares Trump`s views.
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Polls have been quoted as saying that a lot of Trump’s support is coming from independents and there are many more of them in elections past.
 
marymary1975 said:
He is certainly catering to a very specific faction of Republican voters. If he wins it may not.neccesarily because the majority shares his.view. his lead is only 30 percent which is a minority. If he wins is because the rest of the Republican voters were so split that were unable to overcome.the minority faction who shares Trump`s views.
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Well, he might be the 2nd choice of a lot of the voters and as a few drop out, he might go up.
 
Path_Finder said:
Why? What’s wrong with that?

Oh, off-topic to Romney and Palin, I doubt if either one of them would have allowed Christians to be slaughtered in the scores. Those who dislike them may be giving them high recommendations. 👍
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Romney was enough of a foreign policy pragmatist that he would have put forth a number of glib platitudes about human rights, et. al. whilst maintaining the status quo of bombings, drone strikes, etc. In short, we’d be exactly where we are now, only we’d feel better about it.

Palin would dispatch troops, and it would end up as a large scale version of the Somalian intervention.
 
Path_Finder said:
I will vote for pro-life politicians, even if it appears a remote chance, I believe this is what Christ would want.
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I don’t mean to offend anyone, but that is a blanket statement that leads nowhere. Roe vs Wade was decided in1973, we have had a Constitutional Amendment proposed and put into place since that time. Meaning, if there were true convictions on the issue…it could have been overturned.

On the subject of Trump: What both Trump and Carson represent is the true distrust that Americans have for their Civic leaders. I would have to agree with the crowd that is looking for a non-career politician. As for myself, I don’t trust Hilary but I don’t want to watch Trump explaining / denying statements he has made every night on the news. That would certainly detract from the real issues that we have; the economy, the stratospheric debt that will inevitably determine the viability of programs like Social Security and of course the increasing violence which is beginning to turn into a campaign issue.

Once again, I am sadden by our limits in choices.
 
Libya, a complete disaster, Egypt, a complete disaster, during the Obama/Clinton SOS admin.

Yeah? What’s one saying about Romney? We probably would not have seen such horrible things happen and Christians and many other killed and that is in Egypt and Libya alone.
 
Rather, off-topic, but replying to some replies to me:
FractalFire said:
You do know how secular and blatantly unchristian Japan is, right? 🙂

Along with Canada, Norway, Great Britain, France, Germany, practically all of Western Europe, China…

Why a monarchy? Or was that a joke? :confused:
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The whole thing was partly a joke, partly serious. The advantage of Japan over Europe or Canada, as I see it, is that Japan was never a Christian country to begin with. Unlike Western countries which have rejected Christianity, Japan was just never influenced by Christianity. But anyway, I’d put a bit more thought into it than that if I were actually planning on leaving America.

I do rather like the idea of a monarchy. I have no hope whatsoever that America would ever be one, but I like pomp and circumstance and tradition. Which puts another plus for Japan, having the Emperor and all.
Path_Finder said:
Japan who has severely restricted Islam? Interesting.

hindujagruti.org/news/13946.html
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I know Japan is a very homogeneous country with very few Christians, but I’ve never heard before of the things on that site. And that site itself is, umm… kinda strange. So I question it some, is what I’m saying.
 
Leo2014 said:
I don’t mean to offend anyone, but that is a blanket statement that leads nowhere. Roe vs Wade was decided in1973, we have had a Constitutional Amendment proposed and put into place since that time. Meaning, if there were true convictions on the issue…it could have been overturned.

On the subject of Trump: What both Trump and Carson represent is the true distrust that Americans have for their Civic leaders. I would have to agree with the crowd that is looking for a non-career politician. As for myself, I don’t trust Hilary but I don’t want to watch Trump explaining / denying statements he has made every night on the news. That would certainly detract from the real issues that we have; the economy, the stratospheric debt that will inevitably determine the viability of programs like Social Security and of course the increasing violence which is beginning to turn into a campaign issue.

Once again, I am sadden by our limits in choices.
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So one doesn’t consider Planned Parenthood being funded with over a half billion dollars every year to mean anything? Nor the way it has been defunded on the state level and abortion clinics or Planned Parenthood offices have been closed, they are posted here every week of the year, New Jersey, Texas and so on . Has one ever actually prayed outside of an abortion clinic, talked to other pro-lifers or read regularly pro-life sites like lifenews to make such statements? Even praying a pro-life rosary at a Church?

I find this line of argument actually to work for the pro-choice side, as saying, “it doesn’t matter anyway”, I would think those who say this are not up-to-date on the pro-life side, respectfully because this line of debate is frequently said.
 
Now, in the news today per Amnesty International, ISIS showing off American weaponry, even tanks, oh my, Romney could not have done better.
 
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