Trump Signs Executive Orders

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And then go back to the Federalist papers to interpret those articles.
 
Is there any point in your understanding where a president should take responsibility for those actions which he takes?
Yes. The president’s first responsibility is to the constitution, to protect the rights of the individual, to enforce the laws.
The Obama administration built those cages. The ninth circuit set the rules regarding how foreign nationals here illegally should be handled. In every aspect, it stinks. Build the border wall so it doesn’t have to happen.
 
Yes. The president’s first responsibility is to the constitution, to protect the rights of the individual, to enforce the laws.
So if it is shown in court that he has blatantly defied the Constitution, then you will not support him?
 
So if it is shown in court that he has blatantly defied the Constitution, then you will not support him?
Depends on who his opponent is. Biden’s entire Campaign is based on powers not enumerated. I’d consider Jo Jorgenson if I thought a vote for her wouldn’t actually help Biden.
 
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So if it is shown in court that he has blatantly defied the Constitution, then you will not support him?
Depends on who his opponent is.
And with that, the last whisper of the republic dies. There is no right or wrong. There is no law. There is no morality. There is just Trump’s desire. Anything he wills is right. Anything he desires is to be supported unconditionally.

We are at Sinai, and it is us with whom Moses is disgusted. We have sold our reason, our desires, our souls all for the sake of blind partisanship. We would be ok with a dictatorship, as long as we have the “right” dictator. You, know, the one who tells us everything we want to hear.
 
And with that, the last whisper of the republic dies.
The republic dies with the growing increase of government power at the expense of individual rights. While Republicans have been no heroes on this front the progressive Democrat Party movement has operated a decided effort to promote it.
The republic is built on these principles:
  1. individual rights come as part of being a human being and are granted by our creator
  2. Individual rights are antecedent to government. Government does not create rights.
  3. The general government‘s primary job is to protect individual rights.
Do you support these, or do you wish for the republic to die at the hands of strong central government power?
We have sold our reason, our desires, our souls all for the sake of blind partisanship. We would be ok with a dictatorship, as long as we have the “right” dictator. You, know, the one who tells us everything we want to hear.
It has nothing to do with partisanship. It has to do with philosophy of government. There is no such thing as a right dictator. There is only the difference between individual rights and government power.
I support the American principle of individual rights and limited government. The opposite is tyranny.
 
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11 years ago, the party you seem to support staged the largest takeover of American private industry in history, with no support from half the country (and while admittedly not reading the legislation they were passing). They acknowledged doing so by lying to the American public about numerous aspects they knew were not true. The ACA gets a pass from some left-leaning folks because they are on board with the concept anyway.

So let us save the hyperbole about how this President brought us to the brink, or dramatic analogies from the Old Testament. We heard the same thing from the left when we went into Iraq and Afghanistan and passed the Patriot Act, and we heard similar rhetoric from folks under 8 years of Obama.

The “this is the worst thing ever!” attitudes are silly and so overly dramatic, and will be replaced with new atrocities should Biden win. Joe Biden will be just as guilty.
 
The republic is built on these principles:
  1. individual rights are come as part of being a human being and are granted by our creator
  2. Individual rights are antecedent to government. Government does not create rights.
  3. The general government‘s primary job is to protect individual rights.
Well, Jon, I’m always glad to agree with you when possible. I agree.

A liberal democracy is one that protects the rights of its citizens, among other things. People sometimes mistake the liberal to allude to political liberals (democrats), but that’s not the case.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rders-president-trump-loves-executive-orders/

Oct. 17, 2017 at 5:00 a.m. EDT

As he campaigned for the presidency, Donald Trump argued that Barack Obama’s frequent use of unilateral administrative tools made Obama a weak leader.

“We have a president that can’t get anything done,” Trump told an interviewer in January 2016, “so he just keeps signing executive orders all over the place.”
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rders-president-trump-loves-executive-orders/

Oct. 17, 2017 at 5:00 a.m. EDT

As he campaigned for the presidency, Donald Trump argued that Barack Obama’s frequent use of unilateral administrative tools made Obama a weak leader.

“We have a president that can’t get anything done,” Trump told an interviewer in January 2016, “so he just keeps signing executive orders all over the place.”
Both parties are at fault. Both parties have usurped powers not enumerated.
Power corrupts. The more power in Washington, the more corrupt it becomes.
 
I hope. It’s about time we get rid of these.
You must be independently wealthy to the point that you will not need either in your old age?
or
You are old and independently wealthy and don’t think you will ever need it?
He said he will suspend them, then forgive them if re-elected. I guess those on Social Security are in for a rough time.
I thought he said he would make it permanent if he was reelected.
This is a blow at all people receiving Social Security benefits, if not now, soon.
I imagine the Democrat Election Ads are being changed to reflect this.
Isn’t executive orders bypassing Congressional laws and statues the reason we were supposed to dislike Obama?

Just asking for a friend 😉
That is the claim Trump defenders often make.
 
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the party you seem to support
I explicitly reject the American two-party dichotomy. I see it as the root of great evil, and that participating in it is a rejection of the rationality and individuality God has granted us.

The two-party system is precisely what allows people, on both sides of the spectrum, to think that it is perfectly acceptable to compromise with evil.

Americans will accept the greatest of evils if they get something they want in its place. Want a candidate that kind of opposes abortion (Trump supports abortion in cases of rape and incest)? No problem! Just accept a candidate that supports the death penalty and the systematic refusal to provide shelter to asylum seekers!

Want a candidate that defends asylum seekers’ right to seek safety from political oppression in Cuba? No problem! Just accept a candidate that supports expansion of US military intervention on behalf of corporate interests!

Americans are so conditioned to view the world through the two-party dichotomy that they can’t even conceive of a world without it. We truly believe it is part of us. There is, of course, no truth in that. We built this system. We can change it.
 
I agree in theory, but I don’t feel like championing the cause with you since I have no way of knowing if your attacks and criticism extend beyond the current white house. If you were as relentless towards the Obama white house, then we likely have common ground with what you posted - our two-party system locks too many into compromise. But I have seen no evidence of that, especially since your criticism even know seems reserved for one party, with narry a word for the Democrats. To ignore everything that party has done while in Congress the last three years tells me you’d are not as altruistic as you claim.
 
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But I have seen no evidence of that, especially since your criticism even know seems reserved for one party, with narrya word for the Democrats.
Fair enough.

I fully expect I will truly despise the next president’s immigration policy as well. Since it doesn’t yet exist, obviously, there is nothing to critique.

I did oppose Obama’s immigration policy. It was better than Trump’s, but nothing of which a Christian should be proud - I believe he still holds the all-time deportation record.

I try to stay away from most other issues, because I simply don’t know enough about them.
 
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Well, that settles it!
 
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