Trump stands by statements on Mexican illegal immigrants, surprised by backlash

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I listened to Donald Trump today for the first time in my life. I can understand why he’s popular. He rants & raves, name-calls, accuses reporters of bias, and speaks without a modicum of civility.

If you’re an angry conservative, he’s the next best thing to Gov. Christie.

If you listen to what he has to say, you realize there’s no there, there. He offers no solutions to anything. E.g., “We need to get our money out of China!”
Q: “What’s your plan for doing that?”
A: “Blah blah blah We’ve got to get our money out of China!”
Q: “if China is so bad, why do you do business there?”
A: “because they’re smart businessmen! We’ve got to get our money out of China!”

He’s the best gift the Democrats could wish for. If i were a Republican candidate I’d be going after him relentlessly until he inevitably drops out.
 
So what if it is too hard, people do not have the “right” to be here, we as a country say who can be here. Sneaking into the country is an ILLEGAL activity, don’t try to sugarcoat it.

Manual labor jobs, the ones that uneducated people who sneak in here to perform are a thing of the past. We don’t have them available, then comes the birth of children and welfare costs. You think gardeners, busboys, maids and newspaper deliverers are paying these costs, I know not. The influx of people with no modern skills is a cost not a gain to America.

You speak of white privilege, sure, I had the privilege of paying for and attending college so that I did not have to endure a lifetime of low paying manual labor jobs, the kind I performed when I was in high school and while attending college.

Remember one thing friend. It’s the people who make the country, not the country who makes the people. We made this country, others should try to make or change their own instead of assuming that America owes them citizenship.

I see you have not answered anything about the treatment of, or policy of, Mexico, in regards to people who try to sneak into their country.
I’m an American, so I don’t have any comment on the domestic policy of a foreign nation. Also, please keep in mind that many European countries don’t have very strong physical borders. Though, this has to do with the European Union. So, perhaps you should be asking European countries the same question.

Also being educated or not educated doesn’t make you a good or bad person. Your level of education doesn’t define you. This is coming from an educated college student from one of the best universities in the country.
 
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That’s a nice catchphrase that’s been created by the far left, and it may look good on protest signs or as a # campaign. But it’s really meaningless in this discussion as it is illogical and it’s a an otherwise empty appeal to emotion in what should be a rational and practical discussion.
To be truly pro-life, one must be pro-life outside the womb, not just inside the womb. The Far Right is so focused on protesting outside healthcare clinics and parading around calling to make abortion illegal and such, yet their opinions and comments of their fellow human beings outside the womb is far from pro-life.
 
Some came during the founding years, others came later during the 19th century. Were they all educated? No probably not… But how many people were educated back in the days of horses and gaslamps? Not too many. In the 1800’s? Still not all that many.
I think you’re missing the point of the person who asked you the question. The person was making the point that your ancestors are no different from the immigrants of today, in terms of education levels. The only difference between uneducated immigration of today and “back then” is that they know a whole lot more about the World around them then ever before.
 
I listened to Donald Trump today for the first time in my life. I can understand why he’s popular. He rants & raves, name-calls, accuses reporters of bias, and speaks without a modicum of civility.

If you’re an angry conservative, he’s the next best thing to Gov. Christie.

If you listen to what he has to say, you realize there’s no there, there. He offers no solutions to anything. E.g., “We need to get our money out of China!”
Q: “What’s your plan for doing that?”
A: “Blah blah blah We’ve got to get our money out of China!”
Q: “if China is so bad, why do you do business there?”
A: “because they’re smart businessmen! We’ve got to get our money out of China!”

He’s the best gift the Democrats could wish for. If i were a Republican candidate I’d be going after him relentlessly until he inevitably drops out.
You’re perhaps one of the only rational individuals on this forum. Bless your heart!
 
Why can’t they come here legally, though? Does it cost too much or take too much time? :confused:
Think the problem with getting visas there is government corruption. In most instances, they demand bribes to get them. Think if we urged Mexico to clean up their system maybe that would help them to get here legally and more safely too. I think a lot of women who a come here illegally too face sexual predators that rape them.
 
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To be truly pro-life, one must be pro-life outside the womb, not just inside the womb. The Far Right is so focused on protesting outside healthcare clinics and parading around calling to make abortion illegal and such, yet their opinions and comments of their fellow human beings outside the womb is far from pro-life.
You’re making a blanket assumption. People like Jeb Bush are immigrant friendly, and they’re worse people on the far left side who have complete sympathy for minorities, but think nothing of late term abortions or hate speech against Christians, so there’s blame on both sides. Genocide on black babies to me is a worse sin then complaints about immigration from a few individuals. It is an of fence against women and our black population but neither party will speak about it.
 
Think the problem with getting visas there is government corruption. In most instances, they demand bribes to get them. Think if we urged Mexico to clean up their system maybe that would help them to get here legally and more safely too. I think a lot of women who a come here illegally too face sexual predators that rape them.
The Mexican government does not issue visas to emigrate here. The visas are issued by the US government. There are different types of visas. There are travel visas, student visas, temporary worker visas, permanent resident visas.

The US government issues the visas. Not all countries are treated equally either.

For example, there is green card lottery. One applies to be entered into a lottery of a certain amount of green cards. People originating from Mexico are not permitted to participate in the lottery.

The main way any immigrant legally comes to the US is to be sponsored by family already here. The waiting time can be up to 20 years. So those babies that are born here and are US citizens? They cannot sponsor their parents until they reach 21. After the application is made, it could take 20 more years for the parents to be legal residents.
 
You’re perhaps one of the only rational individuals on this forum. Bless your heart!
You seem to be making a habit of insulting people on this forum because they dare to have opinions that you don’t like. If there is anything lacking in rationality, it’s the idea that it’s possible to have a meaningful discussion with you.
 
Honestly, the immigration issue is a multi-pronged problem. The first part of the problem (and the reason why there are many more people trying to come over the US-Mexico border than the US-Canada border even though the US-Canada border is 2-3 times as long with probably less than 1/10th the border guards) is that Mexico is a much poorer country than the US, as far as median income is concerned. This part of the problem is Mexico’s to fix, and if it’s not fixed, then the immigration issue won’t be, either. We could build fences, lock down the border, etc. - but people desperate for a better life (especially the life in the US that’s displayed to them on Mexican TV) will take desperate measures. Increased security, in my view, will only slightly slow down the traffic of people trying to get into the US. This isn’t to say it shouldn’t be done, but… the biggest impetus for Mexican immigrants returning to Mexico the last few years was the economic downturn in the US. They couldn’t find work, so they went home.

This leads into the second problem. There are many employers (most notably in the construction and agriculture trades) that willfully ignore their employees’ immigration status. In fact, many in these fields deliberately hire people who don’t have documents! In agriculture, the wage is set so low (it’s often based on bags filled instead of an hourly wage) so that very few American citizens would even touch the job. The agri-businesses don’t care, because there’s plenty of undocumented workers who jump for joy at the opportunity, and who won’t complain of poor wages or poor working environments (this is why Cesar Chavez railed against illegal immigration - the undocumented immigrants were preventing American farm workers from getting a safe working environment by being the “scabs” that the agri-businesses used when the United Farm Workers went on strike). And in states that have cracked down on agri-businesses that hire undocumented workers, such as Alabama and Georgia? Crops simply spoiled because the agri-businesses refused to raise their wages to a wage that Americans would work for. As for construction businesses, many contractors hire undocumented workers so that they can cheat in the bidding process. Undocumented workers = less pay that needs to be paid to the workers. Less pay that needs to be paid to the workers = lower bids. Lower bids = more opportunity to win bids. Regardless, as long as companies are willing to hire undocumetned workers, people are going to try to come over.

The third problem is this - Americans are generally unwilling (and some are unable) to pay for the increase in price that would come to groceries, especially, if the immigration laws were toughly enforced. I think, actually, that this is the reason why the GOP insists on “more border security”. They know that it’ll gain votes (just as Dems insisting on a “pathway to citizenship” will gain votes), but, when push comes to shove, they’re simply not willing to pay the money to improve the security. It’s also why the GOP is against a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants - as soon as undocumented immigrants gain legal status or citizenship, they might insist on better pay and working conditions.

The fourth problem is simply - it’s quite difficult to come to the US legally, especially for unskilled workers. Work visas need proof of employment. Student visas need proof of enrollment in an educational institution. Even tourist visas require that the person show that he/she has a certain amount of money. As for resident alien (“green”) cards - they need sponsorship by either (a) one’s employer or (b) an adult relative who is also a citizen of the United States. As such, it’s actually easier, in many cases, to come over illegally and then legalize one’s status later.

Regardless, there are some undocumented immigrants that commit crimes. Many Mexican gangs straddle both sides of the border - pushing drugs here, then sending the money back to Mexico to buy military-grade weapons and terrorize Mexico. There are undocumented immigrants who blantantly ignore the laws in the US (including laws on drinking when driving) and many who ravage areas near the border. Those who wish to demonize people without legal status in the US point to these criminals and use them to condemn all who are here without papers. But - remember this: the number one brain surgeon in the United States came, originally, as an “illegal” immigrant, crossing the fence separating Mexicali and Calexico.
 
Donald Trump is a wonderful gift to the Democratic Party. I hope he keeps up his inflammatory rhetoric about Mexican immigrants. 😉

According to a new story in the Washington Post:
The head of the Republican National Committee, responding to demands from increasingly worried party leaders, spent nearly an hour Wednesday on the phone with Donald Trump, urging the presidential candidate to tone down his inflammatory comments about immigration that have infuriated a key election constituency.
The call from chairman Reince Priebus, described by donors and consultants briefed on the conversation and confirmed by the RNC, underscores the extent to which Trump has gone from an embarrassment to a cause for serious alarm among top Republicans in Washington and nationwide.
But there is little they can do about the mogul and reality-television star, who draws sustenance from controversy and attention. And some fear that, with assistance from Democrats, Trump could become the face of the GOP.
washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-could-damage-the-republican-image-party-leaders-worry/2015/07/08/2ec75b4c-25ab-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html
 
Donald Trump is a wonderful gift to the Democratic Party. I hope he keeps up his inflammatory rhetoric about Mexican immigrants. 😉

According to a new story in the Washington Post:

washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-could-damage-the-republican-image-party-leaders-worry/2015/07/08/2ec75b4c-25ab-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html
Unfortunately for the rest of the GOP, I think that’s part of his plan. I don’t think he’s actually serious about winning the Presidency. I think he’s wanting to bring down the rest of the GOP and crown Hillary.

Regardless - for all who were made into zombies by my last post, my primary points were this - “illegal” immigration is an issue that both parties pay lip service to, but really don’t want to end. Why? Because the economies of both the US and Mexico are heavily dependent on undocumented immigrants.
 
Donald Trump is a wonderful gift to the Democratic Party. I hope he keeps up his inflammatory rhetoric about Mexican immigrants. 😉

According to a new story in the Washington Post:

washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-could-damage-the-republican-image-party-leaders-worry/2015/07/08/2ec75b4c-25ab-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html
I think he is a friend of the many Americans who have been harmed or even killed by illegal aliens. I guess that bothers some Americans, no wink smilie added to post!
 
If you note, the topic of Sanctuary Cities is front and center the main topic in this country. The officials in San Francisco and other such cities with similar cases need to be held responsible for the crimes they abet in part.
 
Since people want to come from all over the world, we should send jets to pick them up in Africa, Asia and where ever else, lax immigration policies obviously benefit some people. Shouldn’t everyone be treated equitably??

Send jets to Sudan, Nigeria, China, Laos and so on, a true open door policy would seem to be the solution then.
 
Since people want to come from all over the world, we should send jets to pick them up in Africa, Asia and where ever else, lax immigration policies obviously benefit some people. Shouldn’t everyone be treated equitably??

Send jets to Sudan, Nigeria, China, Laos and so on, a true open door policy would seem to be the solution then.
This is a problem I have too: there are countries where the people are in much worse shape than Mexico, but are too difficult to sneak into the US from. Mexico even protects its position by (usually) guarding its southern border assiduously, to keep people from going through Mexico to get to the US.
 
Donald Trump is a wonderful gift to the Democratic Party. I hope he keeps up his inflammatory rhetoric about Mexican immigrants. 😉

According to a new story in the Washington Post:

washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-could-damage-the-republican-image-party-leaders-worry/2015/07/08/2ec75b4c-25ab-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html
Maybe the GOP should learn something from this and not keep serving up Democrat Lite and start addressing the concerns of those whose votes they are applying for. Altho they may not be able to undo the work of decades…
 
This is a problem I have too: there are countries where the people are in much worse shape than Mexico, but are too difficult to sneak into the US from. Mexico even protects its position by (usually) guarding its southern border assiduously, to keep people from going through Mexico to get to the US.
Yes, I remember one poster who would post that Mexico’s Gross Domestic Product was among other countries, I couldn’t find that stat but their economy is 15th largest in the world.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mexico

All in all, not too bad.
 
Thorolfr;13111003]Donald Trump is a wonderful gift to the Democratic Party. I hope he keeps up his inflammatory rhetoric about Mexican immigrants. 😉
So an anti-life, anti-freedom, anti-marriage democrat can win?

Funny, I thought Hillary was supposed to walk with this, but I guess it’s not so bright, eh?
According to a new story in the Washington Post:
Oh, I’m sure the establishment is concerned.

But I also think its interesting how the left-wing media has been putting out articles insisting with clenched teeth that Latinos would never vote for Cruz or Rubio in big numbers.

Oh, and how about the San Francisco situation?

I think America is thinking harder about what Trump said, even if it were broad-based.
 
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