Trump stands by statements on Mexican illegal immigrants, surprised by backlash

[Monkey1976]

I just find it hilarious that people feel comfortable with calling people “illegal” or “illegals” as if they were inhuman or subhuman. It’s funny, most if not all of you believe in the personhood of an embryo and / or of a fetus, yet call a person outside the womb, “illegal.”

#FoodForThought

Not really. If someone breaks the law, they are a criminal. In this case, they are breaking immigration laws, making them illegal immigrants. As they are not citizens, the term “alien” is also appropriate - hence “illegal alien”. With the tendency of American English toward shortening titles, descriptors, and names, we arrive at “illegal” as a descriptor for those individuals who freely choose to defy our immigration laws.

I’m still waiting on an answer to this question: If it’s okay to ignore immigration laws because legal immigration is “too hard”, is it okay for me to rob a bank because making $100,000 in a single day is “too hard”?

 

[J_Peterson]

Not really. If someone breaks the law, they are a criminal. In this case, they are breaking immigration laws, making them illegal immigrants. As they are not citizens, the term “alien” is also appropriate - hence “illegal alien”. With the tendency of American English toward shortening titles, descriptors, and names, we arrive at “illegal” as a descriptor for those individuals who freely choose to defy our immigration laws.

I’m still waiting on an answer to this question: If it’s okay to ignore immigration laws because legal immigration is “too hard”, is it okay for me to rob a bank because making $100,000 in a single day is “too hard”?

It equates the person with their legal status in the United States. It says absolutely nothing about the human being you are talking about and it’s meant as a pejorative (It’s the same as calling someone names which Christ told us was sinful). They aren’t illegal, their status is. They aren’t criminals.

 

[Monkey1976]

It equates the person with their legal status in the United States. It says absolutely nothing about the human being you are talking about and it’s meant as a pejorative (It’s the same as calling someone names which Christ told us was sinful). They aren’t illegal, their status is. They aren’t criminals.

Did they break the law in crossing the border? Do they continue to break the law by remaining in the country?

If I cheat on my taxes because it’s “too hard” to do them correctly, I am a criminal - specifically, a tax cheat.

If I hold up a gas station because it’s “too hard” to earn money through a real job, I am a criminal - specifically, a thief.

If I rape a woman because it’s “too hard” to have a real relationship, I am a criminal - specifically, a rapist.

How am I not a criminal if I ignore immigration laws because they’re “too hard”? If I immigrate illegally, how am I not an illegal immigrant?

 

[RACJ]

I listened to & read his speech a few times. His big mistake was saying that a only a few of the people coming here are good people.
His 53 min. speech was mostly ad lib. & that was a mistake. When you say things off the top of your head, you are bound to exaggerate & say things that the listeners will jump on & blow out of proportion.
Trump should have prepared what he was going to say & edit out things that would be misinterpreted.

I am NOT for Trump. But at this time, any twisting of his words is deliberate. Note that few try to argue against the veracity of what he said.

 

[TaurusRex]

Trump was talking about ILLEGAL immigrants coming across the border. That’s what all the critics are leaving out!

Yes, but O’Reilly can’t seem to understand that it costs over $30,000/year to incarcerate anyone with his advocacy of “Kate’s Law”;
However, not once did I hear mention on Fox that the poor illegal immigrant finally stated that he shot Kate by accident after picking up a gun wrapped in some sort of cloth
And the guy sure doesn’t look like a cold blooded murderer to me,

rex

 

[Path_Finder]

Yes, but O’Reilly can’t seem to understand that it costs over $30,000/year to incarcerate anyone with his advocacy of “Kate’s Law”;
However, not once did I hear mention on Fox that the poor illegal immigrant finally stated that he shot Kate by accident after picking up a gun wrapped in some sort of cloth
And the guy sure doesn’t look like a cold blooded murderer to me,

rex

I think Fox did report on this, sure they did.

Doesn’t look like a murderer? Deported 5 times, convicted of multiple felonies? Naw, he doesn’t look like a murderer.

Obama writes personal letters to dozens of felons; Kate Steinle’s family gets nothing
Read more: bizpacreview.com/2015/07/15/obama-writes-personal-letters-to-dozens-of-felons-kate-steinles-family-gets-nothing-225087#ixzz3g48YmnEF

 

[sallybutler]

Yes, but O’Reilly can’t seem to understand that it costs over $30,000/year to incarcerate anyone with his advocacy of “Kate’s Law”;
However, not once did I hear mention on Fox that the poor illegal immigrant finally stated that he shot Kate by accident after picking up a gun wrapped in some sort of cloth
And the guy sure doesn’t look like a cold blooded murderer to me,

rex

Might be cheaper to give them 15,000 a year to stay deported.

 

[Path_Finder]

What monetary value is assigned to those who are the victims of those in this country illegally? These crimes are not exactly uncommon.

 

[DeniseNY]

. They aren’t criminals.

How do you figure that?

 

[truetofaith]

I just find it hilarious that people feel comfortable with calling people “illegal” or “illegals” as if they were inhuman or subhuman. It’s funny, most if not all of you believe in the personhood of an embryo and / or of a fetus, yet call a person outside the womb, “illegal.”

#FoodForThought

OK, the people are not illegal …their behavior is illegal…Happy now?

 

[Path_Finder]

Now, this Haitian immigrant has been charged with murder after he had previously served time for murder.

wwlp.com/2015/07/16/immigrant-who-is-convicted-felon-now-charged-with-ct-murder/

NEW LONDON, Conn. (AP) — A Haitian immigrant who was released from prison in January after serving a sentence for attempted murder is back in custody on a murder charge in the death of a Connecticut woman last month.

The Bulletin reported that Jean Jacques‘s prison file was marked “Detainer: Immigration” and that Connecticut officials say he was released in January to the custody of the U.S. Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

His crimes also included the illegal use of a gun during a 1996 deadly shooting, qualifying him for deportation to his native Haiti, the newspaper reported. ICE spokesman Shawn Neudauer told the newspaper federal privacy laws prohibit him from discussing Jacques’ case.

I would say he should not have been allowed back into the community but I guess, deported. Now, we see how frequent these crimes can be.

 

[didymus]

A few things.

What strikes me is how much Trump’s rhetoric sounds exactly like the xenophobic propaganda that greeted my Irish ancestors in the 1840s and after: they were portrayed (at the same time) as lazy and stealing American jobs; drunken, brawling criminals and disease ridden. The last has some bite at least, but you try staying healthy on a coffin ship.
“They’re sending their worst” is an old argument. Since all Americans came from somewhere else nativist politicians had to explain why their forbears were the best while new immigrants like Catholic and Jews from southern and eastern Europe were the worst.

When he says Mexico is not sending their best but their worst but their worst, that is blatantly untrue. The criminals make the headlines but the vast majority run huge risks and come here for a better life just like all immigrants before them often working hard jobs at low wages.

A couple years ago I read some articles about California farmers who were tired of the regulations getting immigrant labor legally and moved their operations to Mexico. They paid wages much higher than the local standard. The universal reaction was, “Where are all the hard-working Mexicans I’m used to?”

They’re the ones who have the courage and ambition to emigrate, they are “the best”. Naturally, some of the worst come along for the ride. Mexican gangs operate on both sides of the border due to our appetite for illegal drugs. The crime rates among immigrants are much lower than the US-born population.

A lot of people say they should “get in line” and get immigrate legally and I agree to an extent but the process is so convoluted that it’s ridiculous, see this flowchart:
reason.org/files/a87d1550853898a9b306ef458f116079.pdf

We need to at least streamline the process and increase the number of people we will accept legally.

 

[on_the_hill]

Every time The Donald says, “I love Mexicans! I have hundreds of Mexicans working for me!” I want to add, “In my hotels as maids and bellhops.”

Wouldn’t it reflect a whole lot better on Trump if he would say, “I have people on my management teams all over the country, and they come from all backgrounds.” Or “I love Mexicans! I work *with *hundreds of Mexicans!”

Instead of ‘they work *for *me?’

Alas, the white man’s burden.

 

[Path_Finder]

Every time The Donald says, “I love Mexicans! I have hundreds of Mexicans working for me!” I want to add, “In my hotels as maids and bellhops.”

Wouldn’t it reflect a whole lot better on Trump if he would say, “I have people on my management teams all over the country, and they come from all backgrounds.” Or “I love Mexicans! I work *with *hundreds of Mexicans!”

Instead of ‘they work *for *me?’

Alas, the white man’s burden.

You’re not calling Mexicans white? Wow.

You assume Mexicans would be the maids and bellhops? Wow.

You didn’t know Trump actually had a resort in Mexico? Wow.

And so it is Trump we are wondering about?

 

[Path_Finder]

Illegal Aliens, wherever they be from, unfortunately, end up killing many people each year.

There is a danger of terrorists coming into our country.

People die crossing the border, crossing deserts, being prey to those smuggling people.

This did not happen to the Irish, perhaps some of those ships were dangerous.

We have already given amnesty to 3.2 million in the 1980s. There have been other amnesties, these figures may be more than the population of Ireland.

A poll was taken that showed illegal immigrants political views are to the left of Occupy Wall Street.

What about common Americans? Don’t they have some rights?

 

[DeniseNY]

A poll was taken that showed illegal immigrants political views are to the left of Occupy Wall Street.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

 

[Path_Finder]

Notice, if one has followed what Trump says, he has spoken extremely negative of Rubio and Perry, both candidates.

So, it’s almost like a New York stereotype, Trump comes off rather brash and loud, Chris Christie of course, New Jersey, has at times, come off a bit excessively in how he expresses himself but I think Christie gets a no-harm, no-foul grade. At times, such honesty is not a disadvantage such as when Christie said ‘shut up and sit down’ though it may not sound too cultured.

Donald Trump feuds with Rick Perry, calls him dumb

Read more: politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-feud-rick-perry-texas-border-120258.html#ixzz3gA0JCfIF

And Perry has responded back.

So, let’s hope the Lord, inspires each of these politicians to do their best. In Texas, Perry of course, got indicted under what looks like a very precarious if not trumped up charge; I think it is a shame. His legal expenses just for that, seems to currently be over $2 million.

texastribune.org/2015/07/16/perrys-legal-defense-bill-now-tops-2-million/

A Travis County grand jury handed down the indictment almost a year ago. The case, which alleges Perry abused his power and coerced a public servant, centers on his threat to veto state funding for the public integrity unit unless Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg stepped down after a drunken driving arrest. At the time, Lehmberg’s office housed the unit, which handles ethics complaints against public officials…

 

[on_the_hill]

You’re not calling Mexicans white? Wow.

I’ll call them whatever Kipling called them.

You assume Mexicans would be the maids and bellhops? Wow.

Yes, I am assuming that the hundreds and hundreds of Mexicans who work for Trump are for the most part in service jobs. Maybe someone should ask him.

You didn’t know Trump actually had a resort in Mexico? Wow.

I have no idea where Trump has resorts, and I’m not going to bother to find out. I think he’s a sideshow in this election.

And so it is Trump we are wondering about?

He’s the one who’s running for President.

 

[Ridgerunner]

A few things.

What strikes me is how much Trump’s rhetoric sounds exactly like the xenophobic propaganda that greeted my Irish ancestors in the 1840s and after: they were portrayed (at the same time) as lazy and stealing American jobs; drunken, brawling criminals and disease ridden. The last has some bite at least, but you try staying healthy on a coffin ship.
“They’re sending their worst” is an old argument. Since all Americans came from somewhere else nativist politicians had to explain why their forbears were the best while new immigrants like Catholic and Jews from southern and eastern Europe were the worst.

When he says Mexico is not sending their best but their worst but their worst, that is blatantly untrue. The criminals make the headlines but the vast majority run huge risks and come here for a better life just like all immigrants before them often working hard jobs at low wages.

A couple years ago I read some articles about California farmers who were tired of the regulations getting immigrant labor legally and moved their operations to Mexico. They paid wages much higher than the local standard. The universal reaction was, “Where are all the hard-working Mexicans I’m used to?”

They’re the ones who have the courage and ambition to emigrate, they are “the best”. Naturally, some of the worst come along for the ride. Mexican gangs operate on both sides of the border due to our appetite for illegal drugs. The crime rates among immigrants are much lower than the US-born population.

A lot of people say they should “get in line” and get immigrate legally and I agree to an extent but the process is so convoluted that it’s ridiculous, see this flowchart:
reason.org/files/a87d1550853898a9b306ef458f116079.pdf

We need to at least streamline the process and increase the number of people we will accept legally.

There are significant differences, though. My Irish ancestors also came here; in 1848 I think. But immigration was “open” then, from Europe at least. If you managed somehow to get here, and if you passed quarantine and weren’t a criminal, you got in. Period. And so, there wasn’t a lot of fear of being turned down if you showed up at Ellis Island. There was no “gain” in being illegal.

Immigration is no longer legally “open”. Right or wrong, adequate or inadequate, it isn’t. And when it comes to illegals, nobody examines them for disease or criminal background, or even whether they’re carrying drugs. And that’s exactly because they sneak in instead of turning up at, say, Ellis Island.

 

[on_the_hill]

I don’t know much about Kipling. As I recall, however, the question lingers as to whether or not that piece was satirical.

As it stands, I am willing to consider the possibility that my comment may have been misguided.