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Maximus1
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Is the Post Office " deep state," need a ruling on that.
Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Fraud
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PaulinVA
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Okay, I’ll give you that. The humor/sarcasm didn’t some through.
He did put that new guy in as Postmaster General to stick it to Bezos/Amazon, didn’t he.
Settling grievances one appointment at a time.
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Maximus1
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You start to feel like America is Trump’s you box and we are stuck living in it
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Boatswain2PA
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No idea what you are referring to here.
Didnt know you were of the opinion that presidents appointing new heads of agencies was “settling grievances”. I guess I thought better of you.
So is “vote by mail” a good idea when we have so little trust/so much hatred for our federal leaders?
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PaulinVA
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Well, I’m hurt.
No, I think Trump makes appointments of donors and sycophants to get his loyal people in to settle scores. Normal Presidents do not do that.
I frankly had not considered the USPS angle to voting by mail. I’m not sure there is one.
I’m really trying to move beyond the thought that if Trump hates it, that means I should like it.
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Boatswain2PA
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I dont think there is one either…yet. But as we have seen with Obama’s DOJ and IRS, federal agencies certainly CAN be politicized.
LeafByNiggle
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I assume you are talking about Pennsylvania? According to votespa.com every way of registering to vote involves a signature. If you already have a drivers license or a PENNDOT ID, you can refer to the signature on that card. Otherwise you can upload a signature. In any case, you need a signature.
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sallybutler
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Of course they are. Don’t they deliver magazines that don’t have Trump’s picture on the cover?
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Nepperhan
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Because I did so previously. You remember the center named after the Catholic justice?
" * The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud , found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Given this tiny incident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”
- A study published by a Columbia University political scientist tracked incidence rates for voter fraud for two years, and found that the rare fraud that was reported generally could be traced to “false claims by the loser of a close race, mischief and administrative or voter error.”
- A 2017 analysis published in The Washington Post concluded that there is no evidence to support Trump’s claim that Massachusetts residents were bused into New Hampshire to vote.
- A comprehensive 2014 study published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tiny number is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, but any and all credible claims.
- Two studies done at Arizona State University, one in 2012 and another in 2016, found similarly negligible rates of impersonation fraud. The project found 10 cases of voter impersonation fraud nationwide from 2000-2012. The follow-up study, which looked for fraud specifically in states where politicians have argued that fraud is a pernicious problem, found zero successful prosecutions for impersonation fraud in five states from 2012-2016.
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Maximus1
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They deliver his US TREASURY generated letter taking a bow for stimulus checks. That’s two deep State questions. Lol
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Nepperhan
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Trump, and his press secretary, just don’t get it:
" Because CNN is a big news organization that is ultimately just a lot of people trying to get it right. And because we are people, we don’t always get it right. And when we get it wrong, we do our best to explain why and how – and try to not make that same mistake again.
That’s how journalists maintain credibility with audiences. Not by never making a mistake, because that is impossible. Rather, by doing everything we can to get the story right and, when we don’t, admitting we didn’t. The very fact that we issue public corrections – in the most transparent way possible – is a testament to our commitment to getting it right.
Now, contrast that approach to how President Trump and the White House operate.
Trump, according to The Washington Post’s Fact-Checker blog has said more than 18,000 false or misleading things in his first 1,170 days in office – an average of 15 incorrect claims every single day he has been president.
Many politicians, faced with being fact-checked and deemed to have gotten something wrong, have one of two reactions: 1) They apologize for the misstatement or 2) (and this one is more common) they simply stop repeating the falsehood. Trump doubles, triples and quadruples down on known falsehoods.
When pressed about Trump’s incorrect claims on Thursday, McEnany said this: “I’m around the President. His intent is always to give truthful information to the American people.”
Sure! Most people do try to tell the truth most of the time! But even if you try to tell the truth all of the time, you get stuff wrong. It happens. Because we are human.
So, how many times has Trump – or a member of his senior staff – admitted they simply got something wrong? Uh, so, well, not many? And that’s being very, very generous.
In fact, Trump’s default response when he is asked to apologize for getting something wrong is an I-am-rubber-you-are-glue defense, attacking and blaming the media. “Where is their apology to me for all of the incorrect stories??” Trump tweeted in June 2017."
He needs to admit when he is wrong, apologize and let it go. That’s the mature response.
" Because CNN is a big news organization that is ultimately just a lot of people trying to get it right. And because we are people, we don’t always get it right. And when we get it wrong, we do our best to explain why and how – and try to not make that same mistake again.
That’s how journalists maintain credibility with audiences. Not by never making a mistake, because that is impossible. Rather, by doing everything we can to get the story right and, when we don’t, admitting we didn’t. The very fact that we issue public corrections – in the most transparent way possible – is a testament to our commitment to getting it right.
Now, contrast that approach to how President Trump and the White House operate.
Trump, according to The Washington Post’s Fact-Checker blog has said more than 18,000 false or misleading things in his first 1,170 days in office – an average of 15 incorrect claims every single day he has been president.
Many politicians, faced with being fact-checked and deemed to have gotten something wrong, have one of two reactions: 1) They apologize for the misstatement or 2) (and this one is more common) they simply stop repeating the falsehood. Trump doubles, triples and quadruples down on known falsehoods.
When pressed about Trump’s incorrect claims on Thursday, McEnany said this: “I’m around the President. His intent is always to give truthful information to the American people.”
Sure! Most people do try to tell the truth most of the time! But even if you try to tell the truth all of the time, you get stuff wrong. It happens. Because we are human.
So, how many times has Trump – or a member of his senior staff – admitted they simply got something wrong? Uh, so, well, not many? And that’s being very, very generous.
In fact, Trump’s default response when he is asked to apologize for getting something wrong is an I-am-rubber-you-are-glue defense, attacking and blaming the media. “Where is their apology to me for all of the incorrect stories??” Trump tweeted in June 2017."
He needs to admit when he is wrong, apologize and let it go. That’s the mature response.
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Maximus1
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" I tell the truth, even when I’m lying." …Tony Montana
Always said the best book would not be to offer explanation of why Trump averages his 15 published lies a day.
The interesting story is always why he chose to tell the occasional truth.
Always said the best book would not be to offer explanation of why Trump averages his 15 published lies a day.
The interesting story is always why he chose to tell the occasional truth.
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petra22
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Normal like???
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petra22
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But is this part true? When CNN gets it wrong to they retract???
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petra22
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Some people keep quoting that statistic but then when truth comes to light they never reduce that number. And they don’t include half truths printed in the headlines… that accuse President Trump of lying…
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Nepperhan
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I’ve seen retractions from CNN and in the mainstream media. I have not seen this in the right-wing media. Has anyone? I found two Breitbart retractions due to misidentifications.
I have not seen any retraction by Trump nor any admission that he did anything wrong as president. The only apology I can remember was for his ‘grabbing women’ comment.
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PaulinVA
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Most Presidents appoint people of the same party, usually with government experience. Trump simply appoints people who will be loyal to him. I don’t think you can dispute that.
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HarryStotle
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The most legitimate of your studies are from prior to 2016.HarryStotle:
Because I did so previously. You remember the center named after the Catholic justice?
" * The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud ,
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The world has changed a great deal since then with the globalist agenda being threatened to the point where the ideologues will resort to anything to retain their hold on the political situation including a complete destruction of the economy for the sake of retaining political control. If devastating the economy is not out of the question, what is a little voter fraud here and there to stay in power? The naivety of some is striking.
You don’t think the riots across the US have been orchestrated by those with the resources and influence to marshal large numbers of “stooges” to do their bidding? Clearly the press is in cahoots with those who are attempting to “recreate” the nation according to their aspirations?
Why on earth would peaceful lockdown protesters be deemed a “threat” to the safety of the nation just a week ago, but violent rioters be accorded a pass despite that the violent rioters have wantonly murdered a number of people on the street?
Up is down. Down is up. And apparently there are some who cannot make heads or tails of anything occurring in front of their eyes but blithely go on parroting the narrative.
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HarryStotle
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That would be your simplistic view of things arrived at by filtering out what you don’t want to be true.petra22:
Most Presidents appoint people of the same party, usually with government experience. Trump simply appoints people who will be loyal to him. I don’t think you can dispute that.
The question isn’t one of personal loyalty, but of loyalty to a particular cause — that of saving the Constitutional Republic that is the USA. There are terrible people at work doing nefarious stuff.
The Flynn trial, the Mueller sham, the Impeachment hoax, using lockdowns to abuse hardworking citizens and now the orchestrated rioting are all symptoms of what Trump opposes and is up against. Loyalty is required, but it isn’t a personal thing, it is a moral question.
Keep supporting the anarchists and leftist progressives and you will soon taste for yourself that what you thought was true wasn’t what you supposed it to be.
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HarryStotle
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A comment that is rarely quoted in context and verbatim, but out of context and with all kinds of embellishments in order to portray it and Trump in the worst possible light.
It would be refreshing to have some honesty on all of Trump’s apparently “false or misleading” comments — especially regarding whether the supposed fact-checking by WaPo is any less false or misleading than Trump’s original comment. 99.9% of those apparent “facts” being checked were opinions on both the part of Trump and WaPo — I can understand how the ideologically committed leftist Democrats believe that their opinions are beyond the truth level of facts, but reasonable people do notice the difference.
How did Biden express it? “We choose truth over facts.” Or AOC’s “Being morally right is more important than being factually correct.”
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