Trump Steps Up Attacks on Mail Vote, Making False Claims About Fraud

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Unfortunately I’m very afraid that this is part of a plan to try and reject the results of the election if Mr. Trump loses in November. I very, very much hope I am wrong, but he has hinted many times that he would refuse to follow the results of an election.
 

www.abcactionnews.com

Group of White supremacists throw support behind Trump

White nationalists had become openly frustrated by Trump recently for the failure to build a border wall and the lack of a promised immigration crackdown.
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" In Minnesota and Vermont, a white supremacist super PAC called the American National Super PAC has begun circulating a robocall in support of Trump."
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-white-supremacist-sec-primary_n_56cf4437e4b0bf0dab31222f


One can quibble and cavil but the facts are there.
 
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And the numbers are what, among likely “white supremacist” voters, who will vote for Trump?

At least CNN admitted such support is unwelcome to Trump. His support among prolife people is welcome, however. Do you think Biden will advertise his popularity among pro-abortion people?
After all, that would be the biggest part of his electorate. Maybe 100%
 
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If 28 million ballots went missing, probably at least that number were “missing” until voted by someone other than the real voter.
 
Ridgerunner said:
If 28 million ballots went missing, probably at least that number were “missing” until voted by someone other than the real voter.
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Well, we should challenge things like a claim of 28 million.

www.snopes.com

Did 28 Million Mail-In Ballots Go 'Missing' in Last Four Elections?

"Conflating voters choosing not to cast their ballot with 'missing' ballots is a fundamental flaw," a vote-at-home advocacy group argued.
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" RealClearPolitics recently published a news story and a column both of which made the astounding assertion that 28 million mail-in ballots went “missing” over the last four general elections. If true, it could be a major stain on the mail-ballot voting process.

But it is not true. Here’s why. Both pieces used the term “missing” to describe ballots that were mailed out to voters but not cast by those voters. By this logic, all of the over 250 million votes not cast by in-person Election Day voters from 2012 to 2018 are also “missing.”

 
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I didn’t use my mail-in ballot because it was delivered to my house 3 days after it had to be postmarked. Note, there was no on-site voting in the primary in my state, so I didn’t get to vote.

Is that what you mean by missing?
 
I may be severe in my thinking but voting is so important to me, one citizen/one vote even if we have to dip our finger in the ink well to show we have voted one time in the election. That way it can be as fair as it can be. That way we can accept the winner as the person with the most legal votes and not all this voter fraud.
It amazes me that there can even be an argument that voter fraud is a fraudulent claim. Since I was a child I heard of people paying money for dead people voting… Yes, you might say I’m from a backwards state… Now the progressive states are doing what backwards states did long ago…
 
petra22 said:
It amazes me that there can even be an argument that voter fraud is a fraudulent claim.
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Let’s be exact: All the new ID laws can combat is voter impersonation, not all vote fraud. It is voter impersonation which was found to have occurred 31 times out of several billion votes cast. Voter impersonation is a fraudulent claim.

So you have a solution without a problem. The bad part about all this is that some folks who are elegible to vote were prevented from doing so by the new ID laws. These folks eliminated tended to be poor and minorities and those backing the new voter ID laws knew this very well.
 
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Nepperhan said:
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StudentMI:
I don’t know, I’ve been taking what politicians say as lies for over a decade.
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And that’s your second diversion on this thread in two posts.

The question is how can we let lying become the new normal?
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The “new normal” is more like the inability of most people to recognize what is objectively true and false, owing to a hyper-inflated sense of their own pre-cognitive capacity to recognize the truth grounded in psychological attachments to ideological narratives.
 
Nepperhan said:
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petra22:
It amazes me that there can even be an argument that voter fraud is a fraudulent claim.
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Let’s be exact: All the new ID laws can combat is voter impersonation, not all vote fraud. It is voter impersonation which was found to have occurred 31 times out of several billion votes cast. Voter impersonation is a fraudulent claim.
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Right. So we won’t actually investigate to know whether or not voter fraud is occurring, and based upon our lack of evidence — resulting from our lack of willingness to find out — we will conclude there is no voter fraud since a lack of evidence from our reticence to find out convinces us of that “fact.”

Typical progressive logic.
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So you have a solution without a problem. The bad part about all this is that some folks who are elegible to vote were prevented from doing so by the new ID laws. These folks eliminated tended to be poor and minorities and those backing the new voter ID laws knew this very well.
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A “solution without a problem” because of blindness to the problem in the first place. If you are unwilling to look with acuity to find the problem it is an easy step to insist there is no problem and therefore no solution needs to be offered.

It is nonsense to insist that the votes of the “poor and minorities” are “eliminated.” It isn’t that difficult to obtain ID. If someone is incapable of acquiring ID how are they magically “capable” of properly informing themselves regarding the best prospective candidates?

Perhaps the Dems and progressives have realized that those most easily manipulated under the guise of “prevented from voting” are those that can have their vote influenced using underhanded methods such as ballot harvesting?
 
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petra22:
I bet the things you heard as a child are material to you,
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1 Corinthians 13:11​

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Meaning that we, as human beings in the current world are as “children” regarding the truth.
For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. (1 Cor 13:9-12)
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In other words, the reality is, as Jesus stated, that we are quite infantile in our grasp of the truth and proper humility would prompt us to acknowledge that. We aren’t as “clued in” as we think we are.
At that same hour Jesus rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and the intelligent and have revealed them to infants; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. (Luke 10:21)
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There have been no genuine issues on the states already doing mail in for a decade or more. The claim is bogus. Trump fears voters
 
HarryStotle said:
So we won’t actually investigate to know whether or not voter fraud is occurring, and based upon our lack of evidence
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That seems reaonable. Of course it does conflict with " hyper-inflated sense of … pre-cognitive capacity to recognize the truth grounded in psychological attachments to ideological narratives."
 
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