Trump Thread Two

[DeniseNY]

It’s not uncharitable to describe something accurately and Good Tidings is just repeating from the article they posted. Take a look at the video. It’s very bizarre. It actually gives me the creeps but I’ll leave it at that.

nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004565158/trump-jousts-with-crying-baby-at-rally.html

This is certainly uncharitable:

I’ve read many articles not only discussing his mental health,** but also those of his supporters**.

Because someone writes an opinion piece like this, it’s proper to share it on a Catholic message board, where there are Trump supporters? I think if cleverly skirts the line of being a personal attack.

 

[The_Bucket]

You trust the woman who backed the Muslim Brotherhood, enabled Iranian nukes and turned Libya over to ISIS not to randomly nuke someone? Sometime watch that incident where she laughs about Khaddaffi’s torture/death. Chilling.

Funny how folks who were all on board with George W. Bush’s regime changes and railing against Obama for not enforcing the “red line” in Syria now turning around and embracing isolationism because of what the temporary tribal leader says.

I’m not an isolationist, nor a neoconservative. I’m kinda-sorta of a realist and yes, I believe in hegemonic peace. I believe Pax Americana is an idea that’s worth defending. Defending with blood and treasure.

Abandoning the post-Cold War international order because it “cost us too much” will only cost us a lot more later. That’s the lesson from the post-World War I world.

 

[TMC]

That baby thing was the strangest bit of politics I’ve ever seen. I thought his original statement about liking the baby crying was genuine because that’s the sentiment I’m used to (Pope Francis has said he likes to hear babies crying during mass because they preach better then him). I finally saw the whole exchange on TV this morning and it was very weird, almost disconcerting. Some have speculated that he has early onset dementia.

I saw it this morning also. It was really odd. His demeanor throughout was odd. The audience didn’t know how to react. At first I thought he was trying to make some kind of joke, but I don’t think he was. I don’t know what to think.

 

[TMC]

As I said the last time you made this claim, it is not quite true. The specific section in the catechism reads:
*
The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with “communism” or “socialism.” She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of “capitalism,” individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor. Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for “there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market.” Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended*.

It is not socialism per se, but the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated with socialism in modern times. If someone or something is “socialist”, but without those ideologies, the Church does not condemn. It is interesting to note that the Church also condemns certain ideologies sometimes associated with capitalism, but does not condemn capitalism itself.

It is no more correct to say “the Church condemns Socialism” than it is to say “the Church condemns Capitalism”.

That is correct. The Church has the same position on Socialism and Capitalism – the Church condemns the excesses of each, without endorsing either.

 

[queenofheartscv]

When exactly did Trump say anything that disrespected the dead soldier, as the article says? I know everyone and especially the media is reacting as if he did, but as far as I can tell he got into a feud with the parents, about the parents’ criticisms of him. He never said anything about the dead soldier at all. Am I wrong about this?

You are not wrong of course, but you are not supposed to go against the media narrative which is being shoved down our throats on every TV channel. You are not supposed to come to your own conclusions. You are not capable of thinking clearly without their help. Why, if everybody on TV says so, it must be true, right?

Apparently todays narrative is that trump has alzeheimers. Hope you got the memo.

 

[tomarin]

You are not wrong of course, but you are not supposed to go against the media narrative which is being shoved down our throats on every TV channel. You are not supposed to come to your own conclusions. You are not capable of thinking clearly without their help. Why, if everybody on TV says so, it must be true, right?

Apparently todays narrative is that trump has alzeheimers. Hope you got the memo.

I think it’s more likely he’s just very stressed out. But I take your point.

 

[philipl]

Unbelievable…

23 Gold Star Families have come together independently and demanded Trump apologize in no uncertain terms.

sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/aug/01/gold-star-families-to-trump-apologize-for/

For what? He didn’t insult the man’s son. Good grief, willing to bet all 23 families are dyed in the wool liberals.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Anti-trump republican loses election to outsider candidate in a landslide despite polling showing opposite.

Paul Ryan is primaried next week. Stay tuned.

hotair.com/archives/2016/08/03/how-did-tim-huelskamp-lose-his-primary-that-badly/

 

[philipl]

But there is a difference between calling someone a liar and saying they are mistaken, isn’t there? The choice of words one uses does matter. And the way you say “Hillary left four Americans to die” almost suggests this was intentional. It was not, and we will probably never know the whole truth of the Benghazi tragedy. I am not saying Hillary is an angel or that her judgment was sound in the matter, but surely this tragic event was not something she intended or something she had no regrets about. Neither she nor Trump is an evil person.

She is corrupt as the day is long. There are way too many corruption flair ups with the Clintons for none of them to be true. She has taken money from those sworn to defeat the American way of life. She may not be evil, but her intent is for power.

 

[Jeanne_S]

This is certainly uncharitable:

Because someone writes an opinion piece like this, it’s proper to share it on a Catholic message board, where there are Trump supporters? I think if cleverly skirts the line of being a personal attack.

 

[philipl]

I just really want something to stick to the bottom of his shoe for a change. I feel like either the country has gone crazy or Trump has sold his soul to the devil. How anybody can defend him is beyond me.

Where as Clinton has sold her soul and vote to america’s enemies. She is corrupt.

 

[philipl]

I’m trying to wrap my head around the concept of Catholics defending or even voting for Clinton. It’s totally beyond me.

(and no, I’m not a Trump supporter)

Liberals will always vote for those who promise them the most money. Most liberals are protect government workers and have a vested interest in keeping liberals in charge.

 

[Millie123]

Scarborough: Trump asked adviser why US can’t use nuclear weapons
thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290217-scarborough-trump-asked-about-adviser-about-using-nuclear

“Several months ago, a foreign policy expert went to advise Donald Trump,” Scarborough said. “And three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons — three times he asked. At one point, ‘If we have them, why can’t we use them?’”

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Need to ease up on the Dem kool aid a bit. It can damage brain cells.

No Dem Kool Aid. Just independent Flint water.

 

[sallybutler]

Liberals will always vote for those who promise them the most money. Most liberals are protect government workers and have a vested interest in keeping liberals in charge.

I know this is going to sound stupid, but aren’t conservatives doing the same thing when they vote for lower taxes and/or special tax breaks for small discrete groups?

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Scarborough: Trump asked adviser why US can’t use nuclear weapons
thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290217-scarborough-trump-asked-about-adviser-about-using-nuclear

“Several months ago, a foreign policy expert went to advise Donald Trump,” Scarborough said. “And three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons — three times he asked. At one point, ‘If we have them, why can’t we use them?’”

I saw that video earlier today.

 

[estesbob]

I know this is going to sound stupid, but aren’t conservatives doing the same thing when they vote for lower taxes and/or special tax breaks for small discrete groups?

“Tax breaks” are not free stuff They allow people to keep more of THEIR own money

 

[sallybutler]

“Tax breaks” are not free stuff They allow people to keep more of THEIR own money

If the tax break isn’t available to everyone across all industries and or income levels then it is free stuff for some people that other people pay for.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

To the writer of this article, Mr. Khan is a political operative and just because he son died in battle doesnt give him the right to say anything he wants without question.

There is no doubt of his son sacrifice for this country. But Mr. Khan was on that stage to attack Trump as if Trump had somehow directly insulted his son’s death. That somehow stopping the flow of islamic terrorist from Muslim countries is an insult to his son.

Khan waved around the constitution claiming that Trump has never read it. Yet there is nothing in the consitution that allows unrestricted immigration into the usa, when in fact it does give congress the ability to restrict immigration.

Now here is a fact, Mr. Khan is an immigration proponent and makes lots of money thru immigration. If Trump were to be elected, Mr. Khan stands to lose lots and lots and lots of money.

Well, it does. Political speech is protected speech.

I understand that Mr. Kahn (who attended Harvard Law) probably spoke to give a positive view of Muslim Americans. He’s an immigrant Muslim whose son died heroically.

In one of the first interviews Trump gave with Stephanolous he said the Mrs. Kahn didn’t speak because she wasn’t permitted to speak, as, according to trump, many people supposedly wrote.

Why make a stereotypical attack like that on a grieving mother?

He could have given a simple response, “I appreciate the sacrifice of their son, I can’t imagine losing a son.”

But, at that interview, he insulted Mrs. Kahn, he said that Mr. Kahn’s speech was written by Hillary.

And days later, he hasn’t let it go.

 

[Thorolfr]

There’s an interesting article in the Guardian about Mr. Trump’s reaction to the crying baby at one of his rallies with other examples of his curious way with children:

A lawyer has testified that in 2011, when she asked for a break during a legal proceeding involving Donald Trump so that she could pump breast milk for her baby, he turned to her red-faced and screamed, “You’re disgusting, you’re disgusting.”

More telling still is an episode the Daily Beast rightly describes as “creepy”. In 1994, his wife Marla had just given birth to a daughter, Tiffany, and Trump gave an interview about the new arrival. “Well, I think that she’s got a lot of Marla,” he said. “She’s a really beautiful baby, and she’s got Marla’s legs. We don’t know whether she’s got this part yet, but time will tell.” As Trump said the words “this part”, he gestured toward his chest.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/03/donald-trump-attack-on-baby-in-virginia-losing-women-voters