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Book_Worm said:
There are ways of thinking–opinions–and then there are facts.

The fact is that Trump University cheated people out of their money. The people who worked there have testified to that.

The facts is that Trump forced small businesses out of the money he owed them by threatening to tie them up in court for years if they didn’t settle for pennies on the dollar. He then claimed that he did that because their work did not come up to his standards. And then turned around and offered to hire these people who did substandard work for other projects.

The fact is It is not rational to deny you have made statements when confronted with videotape of those statements.

You’re entitled to your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts.
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The fact is the trump university case is still in court and you are convicting trump before the case is concluded. You must have an all-seeing eye.
 
Thorolfr said:
Your depiction of events doesn’t really square with the analysis of most experts I’ve read. The new book ISIS: A History (Princeton University Press, 2016) by Fawaz Gerges, Professor of Middle East Politics and International Relations at the London School of Economics and Political Science places most of the blame for the rise of ISIS on missteps by the Bush administration.
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Well, there’s no question that Obama claimed victory for himself. I saw him say it myself.

I think reading further would be advisable. ISIS was an offshoot of Al Quaeda in Iraq. It split with A.Q. over whether “jihad” included killing Shiites as well as other “infidels”. A.Q. opposed killing Shia, while ISIS promoted it.

But realizing that Iraq was not going to be a successful endeavor for them while the U.S. and its allies were there, ISIS moved its operations to Syria. The DIA informed Obama that it would take three brigades to bottle ISIS up there and keep them out of Iraq. Obama ignored that, of course.

The ISIS/A.Q. split had nothing to do with Bush or any of his policies. It had to do with a disagreement within A.Q. It might come as a surprise to Fawaz Gerges to imagine that Arabs can actually have policy disagreements among themselves. They don’t actually depend on the west for everything they think or do. Too much “colonial mindset” among some of these “experts”. The “Little brown brothers” can actually think for themselves.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Trump keeps bringing it up? Look at Post #873. It’s not Trump’s.

And I think "racist’ is slanderous, whether it’s protected political speech or not. I wasn’t talking about the legal distinctions, just the nature of the statement.
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Up until last night Trump was bringing it up. Now I hear that they are going to have an intervention to see if they can talk sense into him. That’s being reported as I type.
 
Good_Tidings said:
It was W that signed the status of forces agreement that said we would get out at a certain date. We honored that agreement. We were kicked out.
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Nooooo.

No agreement is forever. Many get renewed, and in doing that, negotiations happen. The Joint Chiefs and CIA recommended leaving 27,000 troops to keep the peace. The Iraqi government was okay with that, and it could pass the Iraqi parliament. But Obama wouldn’t do that. He insisted, at the last moment, on 5,000 (fewer than he has there today). The Iraqi president said he couldn’t sell that to parliament because it was obviously inadequate (just as it is today) to keep the peace. Finally the Iraqi president proposed a "presidential agreement’ at 10,000. Obama quit negotiating and pulled out.

Don’t take my word for it if you don’t want to. That’s what Leon Panetta said. It’s also what Obama himself said. He said he wasn’t interested in a “status of forces” agreement. He just wanted out. Look it up.
 
meltzerboy said:
BTW, it was reported that Trump was mistaken in stating the purple heart he received was not a copy: the veteran who gave it to him said it was a copy. Why would Trump misspeak even about that? Did he actually not remember? If so, that itself is troubling.

You are critical of NYC’s Police Commissioner, Bill Bratton?! LOL That is beyond the pale.
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Omigosh! I didn’t realize that only Trump’s multiple marriages could be mentioned. My bad. :rolleyes:

Oh no! Trump thought he was getting the original purple heart? Well, that means he would start a nuclear war with Russia, doesn’t it?

Deeper and deeper below the bottom of the barrel does the DNC descend. Eventually, it will undoubtedly reach China.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Nooooo.

No agreement is forever. Many get renewed, and in doing that, negotiations happen. The Joint Chiefs and CIA recommended leaving 27,000 troops to keep the peace. The Iraqi government was okay with that, and it could pass the Iraqi parliament. But Obama wouldn’t do that. He insisted, at the last moment, on 5,000 (fewer than he has there today). The Iraqi president said he couldn’t sell that to parliament because it was obviously inadequate (just as it is today) to keep the peace. Finally the Iraqi president proposed a "presidential agreement’ at 10,000. Obama quit negotiating and pulled out.

Don’t take my word for it if you don’t want to. That’s what Leon Panetta said. It’s also what Obama himself said. He said he wasn’t interested in a “status of forces” agreement. He just wanted out. Look it up.
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Obama did campaign on getting out of there and that’s what the people voted for. If you watched the DNC you will remember the chant “No more war” kept coming up.
So Obama is at fault for not cleaning up after W? I think he was pretty busy cleaning up the near depression that was looming, also.
But if you have information that you think is relevant to your point, I would be happy to read it.
 
Good_Tidings said:
Obama did campaign on getting out of there and that’s what the people voted for. If you watched the DNC you will remember the chant “No more war” kept coming up.
So Obama is at fault for not cleaning up after W? I think he was pretty busy cleaning up the near depression that was looming, also.
But if you have information that you think is relevant to your point, I would be happy to read it.
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Upon your admission that Obama “just wanted out” as Obama himself said, there really isn’t much more to offer. The war was won, and Obama said so himself. He claimed “victory” for himself. He wasn’t interested in keeping forces in Iraq to keep the peace, and he said that himself. And he pulled out. Now we have the consequences.

Not much more to know about that.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Omigosh! I didn’t realize that only Trump’s multiple marriages could be mentioned. My bad. :rolleyes:

Oh no! Trump thought he was getting the original purple heart? Well, that means he would start a nuclear war with Russia, doesn’t it?

Deeper and deeper below the bottom of the barrel does the DNC descend. Eventually, it will undoubtedly reach China.
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I’m just pointing out that Trump has an apparently never-ending pattern of misstatements. So does Hillary, of course. And the “bottom-of-the-barrel” metaphor is equally applicable to Trump as it may be to the DNC.

My comment about Bill Bratton was in jest. I thought LOL was enough to convey that. I couldn’t care less about either Bratton’s or Trump’s multiple marriages.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Upon your admission that Obama “just wanted out” as Obama himself said, there really isn’t much more to offer. The war was won, and Obama said so himself. He claimed “victory” for himself. He wasn’t interested in keeping forces in Iraq to keep the peace, and he said that himself. And he pulled out. Now we have the consequences.

Not much more to know about that.
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Well yes there is a need to know more; at least for me. For example, where are you getting your information. My saying that he campaigned on ending the war does not make your statements true. But like I said before, if you have some information that i can read, I will be happy to read it.
 
meltzerboy said:
My comment about Bill Bratton was in jest. I thought LOL was enough to convey that. I couldn’t care less about either Bratton’s or Trump’s multiple marriages.
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I never thought you did. I was jesting too. But others see the comments.🙂
 
_Abyssinia said:
“Trump finance chair says Trump campaign did $80 million in funding for July. $64 million of small donor.”

twitter.com/jyarow/status/760847585074618368

“Donald Trump’s campaign touted an $80 million “fundraising haul” on Wednesday, which it reached through a combination of online and mailed in donations, along with money from joint Trump-RNC fundraising events during the month.”

time.com/money/4436922/donald-trump-july-fundraising-election-2016/
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How is this possible? Everybody should know by now Trump is done! How can there still be people supporting him?!

Hee hee, maybe people out there have killed their TV.
 
queenofheartscv said:
How is this possible? Everybody should know by now Trump is done! How can there still be people supporting him?!

Hee hee, maybe people out there have killed their TV.
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Well remember he counts any sales of his “Make America Great” products as a donation. And his followers from what I’ve seen buy a lot of that stuff 😉
 
Good_Tidings said:
Well yes there is a need to know more; at least for me. For example, where are you getting your information. My saying that he campaigned on ending the war does not make your statements true. But like I said before, if you have some information that i can read, I will be happy to read it.
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Rather than go through a bunch of research for something pretty well known, let me refer you to Leon Panetta’s latest books. Possibly that part can be googled without getting the book. Also, of course, Obama’s admitting he wasn’t interested in a status of forces agreement was said during the debate with Romney.
 
Used2beSherryG said:
So, being a businessman or woman is offensive IF the business is successful in making money, providing jobs, etc.
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That is nothing at all like what I said.
Politicians by and large are all lawyers to start with.
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And those businessmen and women that you mentioned above make great use of lawyers. Lawyers are not bad people.
Please check out the financial status of all the DC politicians. Every last one of them becomes a millionaire once they get to Washington and start making deals to line their own pockets out of OUR money.
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Where is your proof of that? It is just more “assuming”, just like you accused me of “assuming” that those successful in business are offensive.
They don’t make anything but loophole laws for themselves, opt out of the horrible medical insurance they want to cram down our throats, opt out of the social security system we are all tied to, vote themselves wonderful retirement packages for the rest of their lives, even if they only serve for one term. You are ignoring the facts.
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No, I am ignoring rants like the one you just gave.
The days of “Mr Smith goes to Washington” are long over. Originally politicians did their public service, then returned to the private sector and lived by the same standards as everyone else. There is no way that you can honestly believe that this is still true today.
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Mr. Smith goes to Washington was never true. Ever. There have been claims of political corruption going back to the 18th century. Just read some really old newspapers. But what I do believe is that all thing being equal, a talented person can make more money in the private sector than as a politician. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But it is goes to undermine the popular myth that politicians are only in it for the money.
 
Those of us who recognize the folly of NOT voting for Trump,realize the trajectory of forever changing our country ,by way of Supreme Court nominations.This alone should be enough incentive to vote against Hillary Clinton by voting for Trump. Trump oftentimes says things that are not nice.Hillary,on the other hand,ever the politiccian,is more savvy in the words she speaks.Howerver her actions tell a completely different story.She is not to be trusted given her record.😦
 
3omega said:
gma.yahoo.com/senior-gop-officials-exploring-options-trump-drops-133358796–abc-news-topstories.html

Any truth to this?
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Seems possible. I mean ABC, Fox, RawStory, NBC… they’re all reporting it’s being explored as a contingency. What’s really frightening from the Republican perspective is that if Trump does drop out, but doesn’t do so by very early September, there won’t be a Republican candidate on the ballot at all since the RNC wouldn’t be able to get a replacement name on the ballot in time in enough states to matter.
 
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