Trump Thread Two

[Coder]

…when well-meaning people embrace abortion on demand, including partial birth abortion

I agree, I think it’s horrible that a Catholic could ever vote for a candidate that promotes abortion as an option as the Democratic candidates have over the years. I know there are other issues but unborn children are the single most helpless and defenseless humans and to me it’s truly shocking how political biases or traditions (or whatever it is) seem to allow Catholics to think nothing of voting for such candidates. Truly it’s amazing to me how such a party could get any support at all from Catholics let alone be bolstered by Catholics (look at Massachusetts Catholics for example). Respectfully, I truly consider this a disgrace. Is the choice of Tim Kaine the latest ploy by the Democratic candidate to get Catholics to look the other way regarding unborn children?

Is not the media driven by advertising dollars? Do you not get the most advertising market by being open to the broadest market instead of limiting it to those who are not offended by Catholic truths and morals? Isn’t this why the media leans Democratic - because the Democrats don’t offend so many viewers with Christian principles and thus the media has a broader audience for its advertising. Is this also not the same concept why the Democratic party is open to all these things like abortion, homosexual marriage, etc. - because it gives them the broadest market for voters? So, since broad market is the name of the game, then the media naturally supports the Democratic party. Wake up my dear Catholics, in faith, we don’t compromise our principles for some other perceived “good”.

As for Donald Trump, yes he says some things the wrong way but I think people have to also recognize his cleverness in the use of hyperbole to get people to think and to expose what is going on. I’m also not totally impressed by his character/background. However, I’m completely impressed with his strength and willingness to stand up to what is going on in our great nation and I have complete confidence that he will make a huge difference to help our great nation and our neighbors but not by squandering our values/principles for the media dollar. He also is supporting people of faith to have more voice in America! He’s getting my vote! Clean house Donald Trump!

 

[Padres1969]

That is the be all, and end all, for liberals these days. I wonder how they would feel if they had ever seen a pre-term baby, born before its time, struggling to breathe and live? I did, in med school, and it changed me forever.

Actually abortion is one of the lowest priority issues for either side of the aisle this election among the major political issues.

gallup.com/poll/188918/democrats-republicans-agree-four-top-issues-campaign.aspx

 

[Vouthon]

Trump will reinforce “political correctness” and social liberalism beyond the left’s wildest dreams. The majority’s revulsion towards him (he has unfavorable ratings around 60% or so) will push them more strongly into the left’s camp when it comes to these issues.

He has totally ignored the right to life and doesn’t say word one about marriage. And that’s not a “strategy.” It’s that he doesn’t care about it.

We are moving into post-Christian politics.

Sadly, this is all true.

Trumpism is the straw about to break the camel’s back, I fear.

The GOP was, under the Reagan coalition, partly comprised of a tight block of Christian conservatives as one of its constituent components. It was almost an American version of the centre-right Christian Democrats in Europe, in this respect - with a more vigorous and idealistic foreign policy, perhaps. There were elements of the GOP platform I didn’t agree with, as I didn’t agree either with different Democrat policies, neither party was ever perfect. But none could dispute that the GOP was an eminently electable, reputable and venerable party with a strong group of Christian conservatives active in its ranks.

Now it’s been taken over by a playboy billionaire who cares not a whit for the unborn, wantonly boasts about his manhood and exhibits disturbing racist, bigoted and authoritarian tendencies.

Yes, post-Christian right enough.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Mike Pence says he spoke with Trump and he “encouraged” him to “endorse Paul Ryan”: twitter.com/mike_pence/status/760948495977111552

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

That is the be all, and end all, for liberals these days. I wonder how they would feel if they had ever seen a pre-term baby, born before its time, struggling to breathe and live? I did, in med school, and it changed me forever.

My youngest was a preemie. Before that I had 2 miscarriages. I’m pro-life.
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Which saddens me completely that Trump is being believed as the supposed savior of the babies. He’s not prolife. George Bush actually used the phrase “culture of life.” In his acceptance speech. Now the republican candidate doesn’t even mention the unborn in his acceptance speech.

 

[meltzerboy]

I’ve been reading a lot, I mean a lot, about the upcoming election, and this whole thing is a very bad scenario.

Right now (and I have no actual evidence for this, it’s just a feeling) I think it’s about 50/50, not a sure thing, that Trump will drop out before the election.

If polls start to show that it’s nearly a sure thing that Clinton will win the general election, he’ll drop out. I don’t think he can face the prospect of losing – he just won’t be able to handle that.

Time may tell if I’m right nor not.

But isn’t Trump preparing an excuse for a possible loss by repeatedly saying the election is rigged?

 

[Al_Moritz]

Fox News Poll: Clinton leads Trump by 10 points, both seen as flawed

From the article:

Sixty-one percent of voters think Hillary Clinton is dishonest, yet she’s opened up a big lead over Donald Trump in the latest Fox News Poll.

Here’s why: majorities think Clinton is nevertheless qualified to be president, and has the temperament and knowledge to serve effectively. It’s the opposite for Trump: over half feel he is not qualified, and lacks the temperament or knowledge to lead the country. And his 62 percent dishonesty rating tops hers.

After the conventions, the Clinton-Kaine ticket leads the Trump-Pence ticket by 10 points (49-39 percent) in the race for the White House. Clinton’s advantage is outside the poll’s margin of error. A month ago, Clinton was up by six points (44-38 percent, June 26-28).

This is the first time the Fox News Poll included running mates. Trump announced his vice presidential pick of Indiana Gov. Mike Pence July 15. Clinton told supporters she’d picked Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine July 22.

Since last month, Clinton’s position is improved with most groups, as she gained ground among men, women, whites, Democrats, young voters, and seniors.

The Democrat is winning among the so-called “Obama coalition,” the key voting blocs that secured his re-election. Clinton is favored among women by 23 points (57-34 percent), blacks by 83 (87-4 percent), Hispanics by 48 (68-20 percent), and voters under 30 by 18 (49-31 percent).

Trump is the choice among whites by 10 points (49-39 percent), men by 5 (45-40 percent), white evangelical Christians by 50 (69-19 percent), and whites without a college degree by 16 (52-36 percent).

Right now he’s underperforming his 2012 counterpart. Romney won whites by 20 points (59-39 percent), men by 7 (52-45 percent), white evangelicals by 57 (78-21 percent), and whites without a degree by 26 (62-36 percent).

Trump bests Clinton among veterans by 53-39 percent.

Twelve percent of Republicans back Clinton. That’s more than double the number of Democrats supporting Trump (five percent). And while Clinton garners more support among Democrats (87 percent) than Trump does among Republicans (78 percent), she trails among independents. They go for the Republican by 41-33 percent. In 2012, independents went for Romney by 50-45 percent.

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Qualified to be president? Sixty-five percent say Clinton is vs. 43 percent Trump. Fifty-eight percent feel he isn’t qualified, including 45 percent who say “not at all.”

…]

On temperament, 64 percent say Clinton has it. Just 37 percent say Trump does. And 72 percent think Clinton has the knowledge to serve effectively, while 40 percent say the same for Trump.

…]

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cellphone interviews with 1,022 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from July 31-August 2, 2016. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters.

 

[meltzerboy]

That is the be all, and end all, for liberals these days. I wonder how they would feel if they had ever seen a pre-term baby, born before its time, struggling to breathe and live? I did, in med school, and it changed me forever.

Which liberals are these? Most liberals I know don’t even talk about abortion one way or the other. Judging only by this Forum, I would think the issue of abortion is the be all and end all of conservatives, not liberals.

 

[Al_Moritz]

But isn’t Trump preparing an excuse for a possible loss by repeatedly saying the election is rigged?

Yes, but if the poll numbers this week hold up (see also above for Fox News poll) he will lose by such a large landslide that his claim will be impossible to maintain. In a close election, his argument might find more willing ears.

 

[Vouthon]

Fox News Poll: Clinton leads Trump by 10 points, both seen as flawed

From the article:

Sixty-one percent of voters think Hillary Clinton is dishonest, yet she’s opened up a big lead over Donald Trump in the latest Fox News Poll.

Here’s why: majorities think Clinton is nevertheless qualified to be president, and has the temperament and knowledge to serve effectively. It’s the opposite for Trump: over half feel he is not qualified, and lacks the temperament or knowledge to lead the country. And his 62 percent dishonesty rating tops hers.

After the conventions, the Clinton-Kaine ticket leads the Trump-Pence ticket by 10 points (49-39 percent) in the race for the White House. Clinton’s advantage is outside the poll’s margin of error. A month ago, Clinton was up by six points (44-38 percent, June 26-28).

This is the first time the Fox News Poll included running mates. Trump announced his vice presidential pick of Indiana Gov. Mike Pence July 15. Clinton told supporters she’d picked Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine July 22.

Since last month, Clinton’s position is improved with most groups, as she gained ground among men, women, whites, Democrats, young voters, and seniors.

The Democrat is winning among the so-called “Obama coalition,” the key voting blocs that secured his re-election. Clinton is favored among women by 23 points (57-34 percent), blacks by 83 (87-4 percent), Hispanics by 48 (68-20 percent), and voters under 30 by 18 (49-31 percent).

Trump is the choice among whites by 10 points (49-39 percent), men by 5 (45-40 percent), white evangelical Christians by 50 (69-19 percent), and whites without a college degree by 16 (52-36 percent).

Right now he’s underperforming his 2012 counterpart. Romney won whites by 20 points (59-39 percent), men by 7 (52-45 percent), white evangelicals by 57 (78-21 percent), and whites without a degree by 26 (62-36 percent).

Trump bests Clinton among veterans by 53-39 percent.

Twelve percent of Republicans back Clinton. That’s more than double the number of Democrats supporting Trump (five percent). And while Clinton garners more support among Democrats (87 percent) than Trump does among Republicans (78 percent), she trails among independents. They go for the Republican by 41-33 percent. In 2012, independents went for Romney by 50-45 percent.

…]

Qualified to be president? Sixty-five percent say Clinton is vs. 43 percent Trump. Fifty-eight percent feel he isn’t qualified, including 45 percent who say “not at all.”

…]

On temperament, 64 percent say Clinton has it. Just 37 percent say Trump does. And 72 percent think Clinton has the knowledge to serve effectively, while 40 percent say the same for Trump.

…]

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cellphone interviews with 1,022 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from July 31-August 2, 2016. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters.

Not at all surprised.

Trump could make a feckless, mild-mannered, backstage government bureaucrat look like a charismatic leader oozing with dependability in comparison to him.

When set against his grating and idiotic machismo, anyone - literally anyone - would look like liquid gold in comparison.

 

[gilliam]

Yes, but if the poll numbers this week hold up (see also above for Fox News poll) he will lose by such a large landslide that his claim will be impossible to maintain. In a close election, his argument might find more willing ears.

I suspect the polls will be universally bad for Trump over the next week or so. He did himself a disservice in what he has said and I don’t see him stopping any time soon.

 

[meltzerboy]

Yes, but if the poll numbers this week hold up (see also above for Fox News poll) he will lose by such a large landslide that his claim will be impossible to maintain. In a close election, his argument might find more willing ears.

That is true. However, if Trump has the strength and courage not to drop out, I think he and we will find the polls tighten as the election draws closer. I still maintain, as I have from the start, that this election will be one of the closest in history.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I absolutely believe all of those things.

And I will never, ever, ever, ever, vote for Trump. Never.

Don’t, then, and be responsible for what follows.

Are you really ready to “change your religion” for Hillary Clinton? If you don’t think those people mean it, ask the Little Sisters of the Poor and the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod or Catholic Charities.

They mean it. So, what you need to do is ask yourself (if you’re not willing to change) is what you think they’ll do to make you change.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Not at all surprised.

Trump could make a feckless, mild-mannered, backstage government bureaucrat look like a charismatic leader oozing with dependability in comparison to him.

When set against his grating and idiotic machismo, anyone - literally anyone - would look like liquid gold in comparison.

Pointless name-calling like this is what Khan did in his speech. No content at all, just name-calling.

 

[Vouthon]

[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]

Pointless name-calling like this is what Khan did in his speech. No content at all, just name-calling.

Believe me, when that’s all Trump does every other day of the week, firing low blows at all and sundry, can you really blame people for dishing a bit of opprobrium back at him?

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. You reap what you sow. If you whip up a storm and miasma of impassioned hatred, I can hardly sympathise with the perpetrator being surprised when it eventually comes back to bite

And for Trump, it looks like it finally has.

I find it to be supremely ironic that the very activity that seems to be Trump’s favoured pastime used to rally the troops behind him - smacking “political correctness”/civility by levelling insults left, right and centre - is praised in him but becomes a grave sin when anyone dares return the favour. What is apparently a virtue in him is a defect in others. His genius is another man’s folly.

Hypocrisy, pure and simple IMHO.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Fox News Poll: Clinton leads Trump by 10 points, both seen as flawed

From the article:

Sixty-one percent of voters think Hillary Clinton is dishonest, yet she’s opened up a big lead over Donald Trump in the latest Fox News Poll.

Here’s why: majorities think Clinton is nevertheless qualified to be president, and has the temperament and knowledge to serve effectively. It’s the opposite for Trump: over half feel he is not qualified, and lacks the temperament or knowledge to lead the country. And his 62 percent dishonesty rating tops hers.

After the conventions, the Clinton-Kaine ticket leads the Trump-Pence ticket by 10 points (49-39 percent) in the race for the White House. Clinton’s advantage is outside the poll’s margin of error. A month ago, Clinton was up by six points (44-38 percent, June 26-28).

This is the first time the Fox News Poll included running mates. Trump announced his vice presidential pick of Indiana Gov. Mike Pence July 15. Clinton told supporters she’d picked Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine July 22.

Since last month, Clinton’s position is improved with most groups, as she gained ground among men, women, whites, Democrats, young voters, and seniors.

The Democrat is winning among the so-called “Obama coalition,” the key voting blocs that secured his re-election. Clinton is favored among women by 23 points (57-34 percent), blacks by 83 (87-4 percent), Hispanics by 48 (68-20 percent), and voters under 30 by 18 (49-31 percent).

Trump is the choice among whites by 10 points (49-39 percent), men by 5 (45-40 percent), white evangelical Christians by 50 (69-19 percent), and whites without a college degree by 16 (52-36 percent).

Right now he’s underperforming his 2012 counterpart. Romney won whites by 20 points (59-39 percent), men by 7 (52-45 percent), white evangelicals by 57 (78-21 percent), and whites without a degree by 26 (62-36 percent).

Trump bests Clinton among veterans by 53-39 percent.

Twelve percent of Republicans back Clinton. That’s more than double the number of Democrats supporting Trump (five percent). And while Clinton garners more support among Democrats (87 percent) than Trump does among Republicans (78 percent), she trails among independents. They go for the Republican by 41-33 percent. In 2012, independents went for Romney by 50-45 percent.

…]

Qualified to be president? Sixty-five percent say Clinton is vs. 43 percent Trump. Fifty-eight percent feel he isn’t qualified, including 45 percent who say “not at all.”

…]

On temperament, 64 percent say Clinton has it. Just 37 percent say Trump does. And 72 percent think Clinton has the knowledge to serve effectively, while 40 percent say the same for Trump.

…]

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cellphone interviews with 1,022 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from July 31-August 2, 2016. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters.

What the Fox News poll is showing is “A 4 point shift toward Clinton in 5 weeks”: twitter.com/ppollingnumbers/status/760961555408293890

I think this poll is showing in part a reflection of two things: Trump creating self inflicted wounds and a week of bad media coverage from them and a bump that Clinton is getting after the DNC.

It’s interesting though that the poll still found Trump leading Clinton on the “economy” and “destroying Isis”: twitter.com/foxnews/status/760963872211685376

 

[Ridgerunner]

[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]

Believe me, when that’s all Trump does every other day of the week, firing low blows at all and sundry, can you really blame people for dishing a bit of dirt back at him?

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. You reap what you saw. If you whip up a storm and miasma of impassioned hatred, I can hardly sympathise with the perpetrator being surprised when it eventually comes back to bite

And for Trump, it looks like it finally has.

I find it to be supremely ironic that the very activity that seems to be Trumps favoured pastime and rally his troops behind him for smacking “political correctness” by levelling insults left, right and centre is praised in him but becomes a grave sin when anyone dares return the favour.

Hypocrisy, pure and simple IMHO.

We’re not supposed to do it on here, of course.

In America, some are used to the leftist media “whipping up a storm and miasma of impassioned hatred”. And we’re going to see a lot more of it, even worse than now.

The DNC plots to whip up anti-Semitism as a campaign tactic, and it’s quietly buried. Trump remarks parenthetically in an interview that was otherwise respectful of the Khans’ loss, that perhaps Mrs. Khan wasn’t allowed to speak, oh my! It’s like the Mississippi flowed backward for 24 hours and turned into fire as it did.

And it isn’t as if about every pundit on the planet hasn’t critiqued Muslim suppression of women. Talk about hypocrisy!

 

[Theo520]

But isn’t Trump preparing an excuse for a possible loss by repeatedly saying the election is rigged?

I think it’s shrewd to call out what the Dems did to their own primary as preventative to manipulation in the general election. Bernie tried to do so during his run, remember?

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Pointless name-calling like this is what Khan did in his speech. No content at all, just name-calling.

I posted the text of Kahns speech. No name calling. Perhaps the part that offended Trump was about the lack of sacrifice on Trumps part.

It wasn’t a long speech just about 3 minutes. It wasn’t a particularly insulting or inaccurate speech either.

 

[Vouthon]

We’re not supposed to do it on here, of course.

In America, some are used to the leftist media “whipping up a storm and miasma of impassioned hatred”. And we’re going to see a lot more of it, even worse than now.

The DNC plots to whip up anti-Semitism as a campaign tactic, and it’s quietly buried. Trump remarks parenthetically in an interview that was otherwise respectful of the Khans’ loss, that perhaps Mrs. Khan wasn’t allowed to speak, oh my! It’s like the Mississippi flowed backward for 24 hours and turned into fire as it did.

And it isn’t as if about every pundit on the planet hasn’t critiqued Muslim suppression of women. Talk about hypocrisy!

Context is everything.

A person with even a modicum of tact, good taste and empathy, would surely have known that turning a grieving mother’s dignified silence over her dead war hero son into a moralistic tirade about her religion’s treatment of women, when this had absolutely nothing to do with the context other than her happening to be a Muslim, is a terrible and plainly wrong thing to do, not to mention stupid. A lousy, low blow if there ever was one.

In a different context he might have had a valid point, were he for instance referring to Iran or ISIS.

But an American war hero’s grieving mother?

The comment outraged many Republicans. So I don’t think its quite right to suggest that a leftist media whipped this furore up. Folks on either side of the political aisle were obviously unsettled by this and rightly so.