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jtauke said:
Trump loses bad in Wisconsin. Proceeds to claim that Cruz violated federal election laws by coordinating with PACs, offering no evidence to support his claim.

Trump is a toddler who has run out of juice and needs a nap.
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He is not the most gracious loser, is he? Or winner.
 
estesbob said:
I have a hard time putting “Trump” and Virgin" in the same sentence…

This is definitely going to be a hold your nose election
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The virgin is in one category and the politicians are all in another one.

That said, I can’t bear looking at or hearing Cruz for two minutes.
 
I never made the claim that Mary backs Trump. I back Trump and I hope that’s ok by Mary. It’s the same with my own life. I hope Mary’s got my back even though decisions are made by me. There is a factor of faith involved in everything.
 
estesbob said:
What they did support was not allowing interference of the state in one’s religious views - a right that is becoming more more perilous in this country by the day.
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There are religions, even Christian faith communities in fact, that even your church considers to be Christian, which allow for at least some legal choice in at least some instances.
 
TMC said:
I know you like to twist posters words completely out of shape, but you should know by now that it is a completely ineffective technique. The pro-life’s movement utter lack of internal consistency or integrity is not a reason to vote for a candidate that one disagrees with, true. But the pro-life movement’s insistence that a large group of murderers live among us, while simultaneously insisting we do nothing to bring those murderers to justice, speaks volumes about the sincerity and integrity of the entire movement.
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Then I’ll just mark you down as pro-abortion and note that you are opposed to the pro-life position. I’m glad we are finally being open about our positions.

It’s time that Christians make a choice. No more straddling the fence and being lukewarm. Either choose the Christian faith or reject it.
 
post-Wisconsin Trump is still favored in New York at 89 percent and he is still the favorite in every primary the following week on April 26: Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Rhode
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washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/04/06/heres-what-prediction-markets-think-about-the-wisconsin-results/

He may be favoured right now, but do you think he will really sweep all those states?
The markets suggest Trump has an 18 percent chance to get 1,237 pledged delegates, enough to win the nomination automatically on the first ballot. And, he is currently give a 25 percent chance to win the nomination on the first ballot with a mixture of pledged and unbounded delegates. That means he is just 23 percent to win the nomination on the second ballot or more.
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As no one other than Trump can win on the first ballot, another way to look at those numbers is that Cruz is 45 percent, Trump 30 percent, Kasich 13 percent, and Ryan 10 percent likely to win, conditional on a second ballot (which is 75 percent percent likely to happen). Of course, Kasich and Ryan are only eligible to win if the rules committee changes the rules to let in candidates that have not won the majority of delegates in eight or more contests; not surprisingly, Cruz is fighting really hard to keep that rule in place.
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Thorolfr said:
They came here legally according to who?..according to the colonial powers, the English, French and Spanish, that sent their people here? Do you think that the Native Americans invited the settlers to come and take their land and their hunting grounds?
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How exactly do they get to claim an entire continent to themselves? What makes them different from the owners of every other piece of land on earth, all of which had to be fought over?

I don’t see how it is logical or reasonable that a very small people get to claim an entire continent, which obviously could hold and handle many more people.
 
Sy_Noe said:
It’s one thing to accept Catholic Church moral teaching. But does the Catholic Church not understand that in the US, it does not make the law and that the US has its own Constitution and lawmaking and interpretation procedures?
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Are you seriously asking if the Catholic Church or faithful Catholics understand how the US’s constitutional republic work?

Or are you implicitly implying that Natural Law and Christianity have no business in forming the laws of this country?
 
Lily_Bernans said:
And the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution, not Church documents. I believe it is the Church’s responsibility to educate her own, but in all fairness to her, she can’t do that if people don’t bring their children to Mass, etc.

**I think those against abortion sometimes forget **that in the US we have separation of church - any church - and state.
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Obviously you do not include yourself as one of those against abortion.
 
zz912 said:
It’s time that Christians make a choice. No more straddling the fence and being lukewarm. Either choose the Christian faith or reject it.
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In other words; if you are Christian you are obligated to vote GOP. :rolleyes:
 
estesbob said:
So?
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Soooo Catholics aren’t the only ones entitled to liberty. 🤷

If I were a female Christian belonging to the United Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, PCUSA, TEC, ELCA and depending on which one, my faith believed and recognized that I should either have the legal right to be able to choose an abortion to end my pregnancy or that I should have the right in cases of rape or incest, to protect my own health, or in the case of fetal abnormalities, or that I should have the right until viability while the fetus was dependent upon my body, then if abortion was illegal, it would be an infringement upon my rights.

The fact is in a pluralistic society such as ours, it’s not always an easy task to satisfy all.

But as it stands now, religious liberty for women of childbearing age with regard to abortion isn’t being infringed upon. Catholics are still very free to choose not to abort what they believe is a human person from the moment of conception. And those who believe otherwise still have their liberty to choose an abortion which for them may be a very personal decision between themselves, their family, their doctor, and not the least between God and their own spiritual advisor, pastor, rabbi, or other clergy.
 
zz912 said:
How exactly do they get to claim an entire continent to themselves? What makes them different from the owners of every other piece of land on earth, all of which had to be fought over?

I don’t see how it is logical or reasonable that a very small people get to claim an entire continent, which obviously could hold and handle many more people.
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Who gets to decide when it’s okay to take another group’s land? And kill them while about it?
 
Lily_Bernans said:
No one knows if it’s murder or not, Sy. No one knows when the potential human being is infused with a soul, and without that, there is no human person. There is only potential.
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Sure we do. The Church has taught it.

364 The human body shares in the dignity of “the image of God”: it is a human body precisely because it is animated by a spiritual soul, and it is the whole human person that is intended to become, in the body of Christ, a temple of the Spirit:232

Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity. Through his very bodily condition he sums up in himself the elements of the material world. Through him they are thus brought to their highest perfection and can raise their voice in praise freely given to the Creator. For this reason man may not despise his bodily life. Rather he is obliged to regard his body as good and to hold it in honor since God has created it and will raise it up on the last day. 233

365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the “form” of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.

366 **The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God **- it is not “produced” by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235
 
ringil said:
In other words; if you are Christian you are obligated to vote GOP. :rolleyes:
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Nice try, but no. In fact, if Trump is the nominee, I won’t be voting for him in the general election. I will be voting another party or writing in Senator Cruz.

A Christian cannot vote for a pro-abortion politician unless their opponent is more pro-abortion than they are.

I guess it needs to be stated again, abortion would ended in this country if Democrat Christians loved the unborn more than they hated the GOP.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Soooo Catholics aren’t the only ones entitled to liberty. 🤷

If I were a female Christian belonging to the United Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, PCUSA, TEC, ELCA and depending on which one, my faith believed and recognized that I should either have the legal right to be able to choose an abortion to end my pregnancy or that I should have the right in cases of rape or incest, to protect my own health, or in the case of fetal abnormalities, or that I should have the right until viability while the fetus was dependent upon my body, then if abortion was illegal, it would be an infringement upon my rights.

The fact is in a pluralistic society such as ours, it’s not always an easy task to satisfy all.

But as it stands now, religious liberty for women of childbearing age with regard to abortion isn’t being infringed upon. Catholics are still very free to choose not to abort what they believe is a human person from the moment of conception. And those who believe otherwise still have their liberty to choose an abortion which for them may be a very personal decision between themselves, their family, their doctor, and not the least between God and their own spiritual advisor, pastor, rabbi, or other clergy.
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Allowing women to pay someone to kill their child is not a religious issue. It is a basic human rights issue. Without the right to life all other rights are meaningless Catholics have just as much right to push for the outlawing of abortion as do those who push to keep it legal.
 
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