Trump Thread

[FollowChrist34]

I keep flip-flopping on whether Trump can actually win against Hillary in November (I don’t think anyone knows for sure).

There is a very strong case that he cannot, given his record low numbers with women and minorities, not to mention the problem with the no show social (and fiscal?) conservatives.

But last night I saw on TV (John King map, CNN) that all Trump has to do is flip Ohio, Michigan and Florida, along with keeping the rest of the Romney map in red. That sounds very very possible to me.

I think we run a third party candidate not just to save the party, to save the country. I am NOT sure the Dems can stop Trump.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Last I checked, morality supersedes someone’s religion.

Aren’t Catholics bound by objective truth? Marriage is part of that truth. Someone being not Catholic can’t change that truth.

If someone is going to judge Hillary by Catholic standards, I agree that those standards should apply to Trump as well, who has no concern in even ironing out problems in his marriages. It’s just, “Well, pay the pre-nup, and move on to the next young thing.” Now that Melania is in her mid-40s, I’ve been wondering when he’ll dump that poor woman and move on to another twentysomething.

I don’t know how someone moral can support a man for president who said this:

“You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful [expletive], but she has to be young and beautiful.” Trump

thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/30/the-dumbest-stuff-donald-trump-has-ever-said.html

 

[jtauke]

I’m profoundly sorry for having mistaken you for the other poster JimR-OCDS who has profusely praised Obama.

Thank you.

 

[Seamus_L]

I keep hearing ridiculous statements about how Trump supporters are looking more and more like a Fascist movement. I think the reality is that anti-Trump protesters are looking more and more like a violent Communist movement. Here’s Chicago complete with police radio youtube.com/watch?v=qhlqVImKpuQ

 

[Peter_J]

I keep flip-flopping on whether Trump can actually win against Hillary in November (I don’t think anyone knows for sure).

There is a very strong case that he cannot, given his record low numbers with women and minorities, not to mention the problem with the no show social (and fiscal?) conservatives.

But last night I saw on TV (John King map, CNN) that all Trump has to do is flip Ohio, Michigan and Florida, along with keeping the rest of the Romney map in red. ** That sounds very very possible to me**.

Why do you think he could win them?

 

[Path_Finder]

QueenofHeartsCV is a very even-tempered, informative and polite poster from what I have seen. I have seen other instances where people confuse members posts. It certainly happens.

 

[jtauke]

If someone is going to judge Hillary by Catholic standards, I agree that those standards should apply to Trump as well, who has no concern in even ironing out problems in his marriages. It’s just, “Well, pay the pre-nup, and move on to the next young thing.” Now that Melania is in her mid=40s, I’ve been wondering when he’ll dump that poor woman and move on to another twentysomething.

Well said

Correct me if I’m wrong Lily, but neither one of us advocates applying some kind of double standard to Trump when it comes to Catholic morality. If we evaluate one candidate through this lens, we should do so for all of them.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Yup, not “singing the praises” of obama. Not even close.

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This was clearly elaborated on my last post

You supported Lillys position on this thread. Thats the democratic position and thus, now listen real carefully “implicitly” agree’d. I agree your words were not explicit.

Thanks.

Without an apology for your personal attack I can’t see how we can proceed nor do I have any desire as I see nothing but anger and emotions which is quite clear by the attack. But I’m sure someone will entertain this type of assault verbally but not I.

 

[jtauke]

I keep hearing ridiculous statements about how Trump supporters are looking more and more like a Fascist movement. I think the reality is that anti-Trump protesters are looking more and more like a violent Communist movement. Here’s Chicago complete with police radio youtube.com/watch?v=qhlqVImKpuQ

Maybe Donald could stop advocating punching people or wishing they were leaving in stretchers or offering to pay legal fees of supporters that assault protesters.

Man needs to take a page out of Ghandi or MLK’s book when it comes to dealing with people who are against him. If you remain peaceful then those against you are the ones that look like the bad guys.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

I keep flip-flopping on whether Trump can actually win against Hillary in November (I don’t think anyone knows for sure).

There is a very strong case that he cannot, given his record low numbers with women and minorities, not to mention the problem with the no show social (and fiscal?) conservatives.

But last night I saw on TV (John King map, CNN) that all Trump has to do is flip Ohio, Michigan and Florida, along with keeping the rest of the Romney map in red. That sounds very very possible to me.

I think we run a third party candidate not just to save the party, to save the country. I am NOT sure the Dems can stop Trump.

Well, he’s not going to win Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan! And the huge prize of California almost always goes Democratic.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Why do you think he could win them?

Reagan Democrats + 30% of African Americans, + small percentage of Hispanics.

(Trump is polling 70% negative with African Americans, 30% positive) (I don’t know his Hispanic numbers)

Sanders won Michigan, so it is clear it is not necessarily Hillary strong country. The anti-trade thing plays very well there, given the economic woes.

Trump actually did better than Kasich with above demographic in Ohio. Kasich does well with suburbia, high end Dems (Rubio demographic), Trump does much better downscale.

Trump is hugely popular in Florida; I am convinced he will battle Hillary to the last vote, and actually has a good chance to win it; again see above. Florida very similar to Northeast, Trump country.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Well said

Correct me if I’m wrong Lily, but neither one of us advocates applying some kind of double standard to Trump when it comes to Catholic morality. If we evaluate one candidate through this lens, we should do so for all of them.

I advocate evaluating all by Catholic morality or none by Catholic morality. Sort of, “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.”

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Maybe Donald could stop advocating punching people or wishing they were leaving in stretchers or offering to pay legal fees of supporters that assault protesters.

Man needs to take a page out of Ghandi or MLK’s book when it comes to dealing with people who are against him. If you remain peaceful then those against you are the ones that look like the bad guys.

 

[jtauke]

This was clearly elaborated on my last post

Without an apology for your personal attack I can’t see how we can proceed nor do I have any desire as I see nothing but but anger and emotions which is quite clear by the attack. But I’m sure someone will entertain this type of assault verbally but not I.

You used queen’s statement as a springboard for stating I supported Obama. Queen has since apologized for mistaking me for another poster.

Consider this my apologize for my barb about philosophy class. I was wrong to say that.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Well, he’s not going to win Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan! And the huge prize of California almost always goes Democratic.

Frankly, I think all of those states are potentially in play with Trump against Hillary. Don’t do a Republican here. Start worrying about it proactively NOW.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

I keep hearing ridiculous statements about how Trump supporters are looking more and more like a Fascist movement. I think the reality is that anti-Trump protesters are looking more and more like a violent Communist movement. Here’s Chicago complete with police radio youtube.com/watch?v=qhlqVImKpuQ

People should just simmer down. No one’s even been nominated yet! Although I know it looks like Trump/Clinton.

 

[jtauke]

I advocate evaluating all by Catholic morality or none by Catholic morality. Sort of, “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.”

100% agreed.

 

[GaryTaylor]

If someone is going to judge Hillary by Catholic standards, I agree that those standards should apply to Trump as well,

Non sequitur and a misnomer Lilly as you proposed the “Democratic position” which is Hillary and her position and thus both positions are comparative and thats what you in fact have been debating in support and not well I might add.

You again have no point here but a attempt to rationalize, but thanks for the enlightening conversation as always. lol.

Peace. I have to go for the day. Peace and prayers.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Frankly, I think all of those states are potentially in play with Trump against Hillary. Don’t do a Republican here. Start worrying about it proactively NOW.

Sure they’re in play, but I’m not worried or complacent. I doubt Trump would take all three, but either Trump or Hillary could.

First, the establishment Republicans have to nominate Trump and the “Stop Trump” movement is gearing up.

 

[Seamus_L]

Maybe if other candidates had to deal with as many hecklers, disrupters as Trump has, they might get pretty angry themselves. I’ve listened to several recent Trump rallies on live feeds, and I’ve heard him tell the audience to not hit people who heckle, but to point them out so they can be removed. I think several protesters in Chicago needed to get hit and then some, and I’ll bet that policeman who got his head cracked open by them would agree.