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mary_bobo said:
Most true conservatives did not believe Romney was conservative enough. Some voters could not bring themselves to vote for a Mormon. Trump is nor perceived as conservative. But who knows? His positions change faster than the weather.
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Romney was a decent man, but he wasn’t conservative. He was a liberal/moderate Republican. The GOP base couldn’t get that excited about yet another liberal Republican. We haven’t had a conservative nominee since 1984.
 
AFerri48 said:
McCain lost because that was a bad year for the GOP, nobody was winning that year

Romney lost because it was Obama’s incumbent year, had he ran in this election, he very plausibly could have won the whole thing

Neither were outright disliked/hated as much as Trump currently is, a lot had to do with the situation they were placed in where almost anyone would have lost. If Trump loses, it’s in a year where the GOP has the advantage, as it’s following 8 years of Obama in an open seat election, and his approval ratings aren’t the greatest. I feel Kasich could win, Rubio could win, Romney could win, Paul Ryan could win, etc.

I’m not at all convinced that Trump could even plausibly win. Outside of his base 35-40% of the Republican vote, he doesn’t seem to have a real fan base. He’s even isolating social conservatives now. The fact that he’s against Hillary (a rather weak candidate in her own right for many reasons) is the only reason he has even a small chance right now.
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In some primary states, trump has won more votes than the whole turn out of republican voters in Romney’s 2012.
 
queenofheartscv said:
In some primary states, trump has won more votes than the whole turn out of republican voters in Romney’s 2012.
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Yup.
People speak of the corruption of money in politics, and rightly so. Trump will be the 1st president (ever?) not to be beholden to special interests.
 
zz912 said:
Romney was a decent man, but he wasn’t conservative. He was a liberal/moderate Republican. The GOP base couldn’t get that excited about yet another liberal Republican. We haven’t had a conservative nominee since 1984.
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One moment, I’m trying to get my head around the fact that you just said that. :o
 
Donald J. Trump’s presidential candidacy has stunned the Republican Party. But if he survives a late revolt by his rivals and other leaders to become the party’s standard-bearer in the general election, the electoral map now coming into view is positively forbidding.
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In recent head-to-head polls with one Democrat whom Mr. Trump may face in the fall, Hillary Clinton, he trails in every key state, including Florida and Ohio, despite her soaring unpopularity ratings with swing voters.
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In Democratic-leaning states across the Rust Belt, which Mr. Trump has vowed to return to the Republican column for the first time in nearly 30 years, his deficit is even worse: Mrs. Clinton leads him by double digits in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
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nytimes.com/2016/04/03/us/politics/donald-trump-general-election.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
 
Ronald reagan trailed carter by double digits at this time of the primary before he went on to win.
 
zz912 said:
Romney was a decent man, but he wasn’t conservative. He was a liberal/moderate Republican. The GOP base couldn’t get that excited about yet another liberal Republican. We haven’t had a conservative nominee since 1984.
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I agree. That is why Cruz might have a chance. But he could only be competitive with basically all of the GOP behind him. Romney had around 94% and lost. When you think how divided the party is - Trump v Cruz v Kasich - this seems unlikely.

Cruz would have to meaningfully open up to the moderates, without alienating his own support, plus pull in Trump support. He would not get much cross over of independents or moderates, who would probably vote for Clinton. Besides, Cruz ignites the Democrats, brings them out to the polls and unites the Clinton/Sanders groups. Cruz is at a huge disadvantage in the electoral college right out of the gate.

But I still believe there is a possibility of victory there - but only just. America is fatigued with strife/polarization, political correctness, hard left incompetency in the White House, and ready for different ideas, values. I think Cruz runs reasonably well against Hillary - her negatives once again become an issue (Trump neutralizes them).

But Cruz has to get a decent number of Hispanics, blacks, women, independents to go conservative. (?) At least he presents an authentic, principled argument for the brand (on a good day). This is where Kasich and Rubio would be an asset to the campaign and GOP message. Independents/minorities have to know that Cruz will listen to the left and negotiate/compromise. That they can live with him. (the absolute opposite of how Obama handled the right) Even I hope to get a conservative who will reach across the aisle, but not give in on key positions. That is why I like Rubio and Kasich. The simple fact of the matter is that someone like Kasich does run better in the general. The GOP has put itself in such a difficult situation. So now we put up a conservative pretending to be a moderate and hope for the best.

I have been impressed by Cruz in the campaign for the most part - he came out ok after the Heidi thing, and he is fighting Trump effectively - the whole country owes him a big thanks there, regardless of what they may think of him. 😉 Credit where credit is due.
 
zz912 said:
Romney was a decent man, but he wasn’t conservative. He was a liberal/moderate Republican. The GOP base couldn’t get that excited about yet another liberal Republican. We haven’t had a conservative nominee since 1984.
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Maybe, but maybe not. Remember that many political observers note that Reagan would have a difficult time in today’s version of the GOP.

Personally I think a Clinton v Cruz matchup would be interesting, as I believe it would dispel the notion that the Republican failed to win the general election because he wasn’t conservative enough.
 
ringil said:
Ok keep that hope up! It certainly can’t hurt!
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Oh I think there’s plenty of reason to hope. Whatever Bolling and others may try to tell you, Cruz can still get the nomination and then give HRC a run for her money.
 
Peter_J said:
Oh I think there’s plenty of reason to hope. Whatever Bolling and others may try to tell you, Cruz can still get the nomination and then give HRC a run for her money.
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80+ % of the remaining delegates though …
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
80+ % of the remaining delegates though …
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He probably won’t get that but it looks more likely than not that there will be a contested convention, and I think Cruz is more likely than Trump to come out of that being the Republican nominee for president, even if Trump goes into a contested convention with more delegates than Cruz.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Apparently, SC is just one of “many” states that enforce that rule:

theblaze.com/stories/2016/03/31/if-trump-will-no-longer-support-gop-nominee-it-could-put-delegates-in-jeopardy-in-south-carolina/

“South Carolina is one of many states where the party requires candidates to sign a loyalty pledge of support for the eventual GOP nominee — a pledge Trump signed months before the state’s primary. Now the billionaire businessman’s recent threat to ignore the pledge and to no longer vow support for the eventual nominee could throw a wrench in his ability to keep the 50 Palmetto State delegates he won in the Feb. 20 winner-take-all contest.”

Bad news for the Donald.
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Indeed! But he’ll just reverse himself again and it’ll all be fine! 😉
 
Little_Sheep said:
Indeed! But he’ll just reverse himself again and it’ll all be fine! 😉
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If SC takes delegates away from trump, it should do the same with Cruz and Kasich. They’ve all said the same thing. But you won’t hear the media saying cruz and kasich don’t want to support trump as nominee.
 
Alex_H said:
My family and I love dogs! 🙂

My confirmation name was Francis, as in Francis of Assissi. Who is the patron saint of animals!
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<3! We have 3 faithful pups - an enormous Great Pyr, a medium-sized mutt and a tiny half-Yorkie/half-Schitzu…a Goldilocks assortment of canines!
 
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