Trump Thread

[estesbob]

When they announced to a Texas school classroom that JFK had been assassinated the class stood up and cheered.

 

[Little_Sheep]

Except it isn’t her body that isn’t at issue, at all, is it. “My body, my choice” works if it’s about whether to pierce, brand, or tattoo my own flesh. Ending the life of a child given by God, who by the way is not an extension of a mother’s body but a human person separate, is the actual state of things.

Do you consider abortion to be murder? If so, what sort of punishment should the woman who gets an abortion receive?

 

[estesbob]

Do you consider abortion to be murder? If so, what sort of punishment should the woman who gets an abortion receive?

Simple fact is there is no sentiment whatsoever in this country for punishing women who have abortions. Accordingly when abortion is made illegal we will to go back to the way it was before Roe was imposed -the punishment was imposed on the abortionist The only people I see bringing this issue up are pro abortion advocates trying to paint pro-life advocates as being hypocrites

 

[Vanny]

Simple fact is there is no sentiment whatsoever in this country for punishing women who have abortions. Accordingly when abortion is made illegal we will to go back to the way it was before Roe was imposed -the punishment was imposed an abortionist The only people I see bringing this issue up are pro abortion advocates trying to paint pro-life advocates as being hypocrites

 

[estesbob]

The scary part is given the weakness of the Democrat candidates he may very well end up as President of the United States . I think Italy put a billionaire businessman in as their chief executive and it didn’t turn out too well.

 

[FollowChrist34]

The scary part is given the weakness of the Democrat candidates he may very well end up as President of the United States . I think Italy put a billionaire businessman in as their chief executive and it didn’t turn out too well.

Let me calm your fears. Trump will never never never win a general election; I don’t there is a single poll out there remotely suggesting that (please someone post it if there is).

I also think it increasingly unlikely that he is the nominee, in part due to this abortion debacle (which has now been repeated - Trump again insisting abortion must remain legal last Friday and then on Saturday saying that after being elected he would move to make abortion illegal, managing to equally terrify and confuse both sides).

 

[Peter_J]

Simple fact is there is no sentiment whatsoever in this country for punishing women who have abortions.

I wish that were true, but experience shows that there is, at least in a small fraction of Americans.

 

[chero23]

The scary part is given the weakness of the Democrat candidates he may very well end up as President of the United States . I think Italy put a billionaire businessman in as their chief executive and it didn’t turn out too well.

I don’t think the democratic candidates are weak, but their not the best. Having said that, tomorrow will be a huge day. If trump loses, we’re looking at a contested or open republican convention.

If sanders wins in Wisconsin and is close in New York, then the Democratic primaries just became increasingly interesting.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

The scary part is given the weakness of the Democrat candidates he may very well end up as President of the United States . I think Italy put a billionaire businessman in as their chief executive and it didn’t turn out too well.

He was immensely popular and did a good job. Immensely popular, until he went all EU on them.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Scenario (and I am only asking this of the Republican posters):

do you vote for

1. Trump
2. HRC (despite her demonstrated views on abortion/marriage and interventionism)
3. A third party, guarateeing 2 ?

Please don’t tell me that this will be the year that #3 will work. The last time that some of you tried that in large numbers, we ended up with a Clinton, IIRC.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Scenario (and I am only asking this of the Republican posters):

do you vote for

1. Trump
2. HRC (despite her demonstrated views on abortion/marriage and interventionism)
3. A third party, guarateeing 2. (in both senses )

Please don’t tell me that this will be the year that #3 will work. The last time that some of you tried that in large numbers, we ended up with a Clinton, IIRC.

It won’t be Trump; it will be Cruz.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

It won’t be Trump; it will be Cruz.

I would be more than OK with that.

But please answer the question as posed.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Simple fact is there is no sentiment whatsoever in this country for punishing women who have abortions. Accordingly when abortion is made illegal we will to go back to the way it was before Roe was imposed -the punishment was imposed on the abortionist The only people I see bringing this issue up are pro abortion advocates trying to paint pro-life advocates as being hypocrites

You don’t believe murderers should be punished?

 

[Thorolfr]

He was immensely popular and did a good job. Immensely popular, until he went all EU on them.

Silvio Berlusconi was a good Prime Minister?

Berlusconi has been involved in many controversies and over 20 court cases during his political career, including a conviction to 4 years prison and 5 years suspension of public functions by the Court of Appeals for €7M tax evasion (and €280M slush fund) on 8 May 2013, confirmed by the Court of Cassation on 1 August 2013.[6][187] Due to a general pardon, his imprisonment was reduced to one year,[6] which due to his age can be served either as a house arrest at his private residence or as community service.

On 24 June 2013, Berlusconi was found guilty of paying an underage prostitute for sex, and of abusing his powers in an ensuing cover up. He was sentenced to seven years in jail, and banned from public office for life. He is certain to appeal, and the sentence will not be enforced until the result of the trial is confirmed at appeal.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi

 

[Lily_Bernans]

The scary part is given the weakness of the Democrat candidates he may very well end up as President of the United States . I think Italy put a billionaire businessman in as their chief executive and it didn’t turn out too well.

Either Democratic candidate would beat all three Republican candidates.

 

[FollowChrist34]

The GOP’s Suicide March
Peter Wehner / Apr. 4, 2016

“If Donald Trump secures the Republican presidential nomination, he would start the general election campaign as the least-popular candidate to represent either party in modern times.”

So declared the Washington Post in this story, which cites the following finding from a new Washington Post-ABC News poll:

**Trump has a 67 percent unfavorable rating – making him more disliked than any major party nominee in the 32 years the survey has been tracking candidate.
Three-quarters of women view Trump unfavorably.
Nearly two-thirds of independents view him unfavorably.
Eighty percent of young adults and 85 percent of Hispanics view Trump as unfavorably.
So do nearly half of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents.**

**The Democratic pollster Peter Hart said voters’ views of Trump are “exceptionally rancid.” He added, “In terms of any domestic personality that we have measured, we’ve never seen an individual with higher negatives.”

In a head-to-head match-up with Hillary Clinton, who herself is a very weak candidate, Mr. Trump is trailing by double figures.**

Among women, nonwhites, Hispanics, voters under 30 and those with college degrees – those who represent the country’s demographic future – Trump is wildly unpopular. He’s viewed unfavorably by a 2-to-1 margin by each of those group.
Among independents, a group that Mitt Romney carried even as he lost to President Obama in 2012, Trump’s favorability rating is 19 percent while 57 percent view him unfavorably.
Among white women, a bloc Governor Romney easily won even in defeat, Trump is viewed by less than a quarter of them (23 percent) favorably while well over half (54 percent) have an unfavorable opinion of him.
Half of all voters said they would be scared if he were elected president, according to the Times/CBS poll.
Trump is viewed unfavorably by a majority of whites without college degrees, a group that has been his strongest demographic.
According to several polls, Mr. Trump trails Mrs. Clinton by 20 or more points among women. The largest gender gap in the last 36 years was Bob Dole’s was an 11-point loss among women against Bill Clinton in 1996.

The Republican pollster Whit Ayers pointed out that “a Republican nominee who hopes to win a majority of the popular vote in 2016 must gain either 30 percent of the nonwhite vote or 65 percent of the white vote… Trump doesn’t stand a chance of doing either one.” How in the world could Trump reach 65 percent among whites overall if more than two-thirds of white women give him an unfavorable rating today, and if most of that unfavorable rating is intensely negative, Ayers asked? He added that millennials have now passed Baby Boomers to become the largest generation – and Trump’s ratings among millennials are now 18 percent favorable to 80 percent unfavorable, with 70 percent strongly unfavorable.

A Trump nomination would be an epic political mistake for the GOP. If Republicans end up nominating Donald Trump to be their standard bearer, he will shatter their party.

commentarymagazine.com/american-society/gops-suicide-march/

 

[FollowChrist34]

I would be more than OK with that.

But please answer the question as posed.

I would vote 3rd party if there was a conservative candidate. If not, I either would not vote or vote for Hillary. I won’t vote for Trump.

 

[Little_Sheep]

Simple fact is there is no sentiment whatsoever in this country for punishing women who have abortions. Accordingly when abortion is made illegal we will to go back to the way it was before Roe was imposed -the punishment was imposed on the abortionist The only people I see bringing this issue up are pro abortion advocates trying to paint pro-life advocates as being hypocrites

Of course there’s not because most of the country does not consider abortion, particularly early abortion, to be murder. But the end result of Roe v. Wade being overturned would lead to women who have abortions being punished. Policies have consequences. To claim otherwise is painfully illogical and also insulting to women. Trump spoke the logical truth. He gives women much more credit as thinking, sovereign beings than the anti-choicers do.

Today, more and more women seek medical abortions through misoprostol. As more and more clinics close, women get these pills over the internet and on the black market and then take things into their own hands. Who will be punished then when no other “abortionist” is involved save the woman herself?

 

[Peter_J]

Scenario (and I am only asking this of the Republican posters):

do you vote for

1. Trump
2. HRC (despite her demonstrated views on abortion/marriage and interventionism)
3. A third party, guarateeing 2 ?

I’m sure you would have gotten quite a lot of answers to this if you had asked it last summer – especially if it was the day after the first GOP debate. But since then a lot of us have realized how unwise it is to answer a hypothetical question about supporting a hypothetical GOP nominee.

 

[Peter_J]

Of course there’s not because most of the country does not consider abortion, particularly early abortion, to be murder. But the end result of Roe v. Wade being overturned would lead to women who have abortions being punished.

Thank you, I suddenly understand it all: not only is America going to get rid of abortion on demand, but it will also overturn the landmark SCOTUS decision Roe v Wade, and outlaw all the types of abortion that were legal before Roe, and for the first time in over a century punish the “murderers” who have abortions.

TY for opening my eyes to your glorious future.