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Lily_Bernans said:
Caring about a person from birth to natural death is in every Catholic ethics textbook. At what point should we not care about them?
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No it is not. Perhaps you should actually read a Catholic ethics textbook.
Lily_Bernans said:
At what point should we stop caring about them?
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You should focus more on when you should START caring for them. Perhaps bring your personal views in line with the Christian faith and Catholic teaching?
 
queenofheartscv said:
I think it should start before birth at conception, is what the poster was saying.
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Sorry, I meant to click on the Hillary thread and not bring this over to the Trump thread.

I guess today will tell if Cruz is making inroads into Trump territory. Trump’s supporters are very loyal, but I don’t know how many he has in Wisconsin. It doesn’t seem to me that it’s a state that would favor him.

I was listening to CNN last night talking about drafting Paul Ryan as the GOP candidate. To me, that is entirely wrong, and is the party dictating to the voters. If most voters have chosen Trump, if most delegates are pledged to him, he should be the first ballot nominee. The rules should not be rewritten at this late date.

I’m not a Trump supporter, but I do believe in being fair to all the candidates.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Sorry, I meant to click on the Hillary thread and not bring this over to the Trump thread.

I guess today will tell if Cruz is making inroads into Trump territory. Trump’s supporters are very loyal, but I don’t know how many he has in Wisconsin. It doesn’t seem to me that it’s a state that would favor him.

I was listening to CNN last night talking about drafting Paul Ryan as the GOP candidate. To me, that is entirely wrong, and is the party dictating to the voters. If most voters have chosen Trump, if most delegates are pledged to him, he should be the first ballot nominee. The rules should not be rewritten at this late date.

I’m not a Trump supporter, but I do believe in being fair to all the candidates.
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Agreed.
 
zz912 said:
No it is not. Perhaps you should actually read a Catholic ethics textbook.

You should focus more on when you should START caring for them. Perhaps bring your personal views in line with the Christian faith and Catholic teaching?
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I’m a Catholic theology professor. I’ve taught Catholic Bioethics. My views are just fine.

I’m one of the few here who thinks the mothers who freely choose to murder their unborn children are wrong, wrong, wrong. I’m one of the few who want to protect them from those who would kill them - their own mothers.
 
zz912 said:
No it is not. Perhaps you should actually read a Catholic ethics textbook.

You should focus more on when you should START caring for them. Perhaps bring your personal views in line with the Christian faith and Catholic teaching?
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The problem with invoking the so called “seamless” garment" doctrine is many use that to mistakenly claim there is a moral equivalence between supporting abortion and supporting the death penalty. As the Church makes clear there is not but many Catholics who vote in support of evil use this misconception to rationalize their vote.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Agreed.
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The candidates are the ones who have put in the time and effort. Like him or not, Trump has put a lot of time and effort into his campaign, and I think he’s sincere, whether I agree with him or not.

To rewrite rules now so Ryan or someone who didn’t even bother to campaign can be put in the GOP slot as the nominee is a slap in the fact to all the voters, even non-Trump, non-Republican voters because if they’ll do it to Trump, they will do it to others as well. In essence, it means the voters have no say.
 
estesbob said:
The last woman to be prosecuted in the US for procuring an abortion was 1907. Since then the punishment for abortion was always been levied on the abortionist. I am at a loss as to why those who support this evil are so determined to have these women punished when abortion is once again illegal.

I think we can all agree that you don’t teach children the sanctity of life by voting for those who support abortion.
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That explains the lack of a big drop in births in the US when abortion became legal. The abortions were already happening - they were just ‘illegal’ in the sense of someone procuring an abortion wouldn’t be punished.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Why is Kasich staying in? He’s said he doesn’t want the VP job if it should be offered.

Is he staying in just to force a brokered convention?
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He’s drumming for a brokered convention, probably hoping they’d choose him over cruz after getting rid of trump.

Kasich is not building a good image, IMO.
 
jtauke said:
To bad that won’t win an election when 7/10 likely women voters dislike him.🤷
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I think there is a good chance trump will be elected president. i think those who dismiss the possibility are underestimating the amount of anger in this country towards politicians and how unpopular Hillary Clinton is. In May of 1980 Ronald Regan was 30 points behind Jimmy Cater and was being derisively dismissed just as trump s today
 
queenofheartscv said:
He’s drumming for a brokered convention, probably hoping they’d choose him over cruz after getting rid of trump.

Kasich is not building a good image, IMO.
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Agreed-. He should drop out. He is the democrats favorite republican candidate which tells you everything you need to know about him
 
queenofheartscv said:
He’s drumming for a brokered convention, probably hoping they’d choose him over cruz after getting rid of trump.

Kasich is not building a good image, IMO.
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Unfortunately, he might get a brokered convention, but even if he does, Kasich is not going to be the Republican nominee.

Agreed, Kasich is not building a good image. Every time I see him, I like him less and less.
 
Bell(name removed by moderator) said:
Doesn’t this really mean that 60% of republican women don’t support Trump?
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Not being their favorite (read first choice) is not the same as not supporting.

If the poll was about their favorite pizza topping and pepperoni came in at the favorite for 38% could you also conclude that 60% don’t like pepperoni pizza? No, of course you could not make that conclusion with the amount of information given.
 
oliver927 said:
Not being their favorite (read first choice) is not the same as not supporting.

If the poll was about their favorite pizza topping and pepperoni came in at the favorite for 38% could you also conclude that 60% don’t like pepperoni pizza? No, of course you could not make that conclusion with the amount of information given.
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It’s a natural inclination to interpret data in a way pleasing to ourselves.

I was, however, pleasantly surprised to find trump had more women favoring him than Cruz and kascih. Given the picture of trump painted by the media, I thought he would be last place.
 
estesbob said:
Or the pro-life movement recognizes that calling for punishing women for having an abortion will allow abortion supporters to demonize them and make the goal of banning abortions difficult if not impossible. This is nothing more than a deliberate attempt to move the discussion away from the evil they support.
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This is my point. This stance reveals the pro-life movement to be just another political entity. The movement is either being disingenuous about its actual goals, or its willing to overlook murder to achieve its goals.
 
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