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You can mock all you want, but people on the street are going to like “American first” mentality. If Mexico wants to be a good neighbor, they should help stop illegal immigration and drug trafficking.
Considering that Mexico doesn’t even have the ability to stop drug traffickers and the violence associated with them in their own country, you can’t expect Mexico to be able to stop them from coming into the US. And a lot of the problem is that it is US citizens who are buying most of the drugs and have created a market for what the drug traffickers are selling. So it’s not just Mexico’s fault.
 
From today’s news:

cnn.com/2016/04/05/politics/donald-trump-mexico-wall-pay/index.html

That’s a good idea! Lets force a relatively poor country like Mexico to pay it’s rich neighbor billions of dollars to build a wall between our countries and we’ll use blackmail to do it. If thy don’t comply, we’ll cut off the money that Mexicans send home and wreck the Mexican economy, impose more tarrifs on Mexican goods which would probably lead to even more unemployment among Mexicans desperate for work and we’ll cancel Mexican visas. That Donald has a good head on his shoulders! :rolleyes:
Of course we know that won’t ever happen.
 
You can mock all you want, but people on the street are going to like “American first” mentality. If Mexico wants to be a good neighbor, they should help stop illegal immigration and drug trafficking.
But the truth is there is no way you can(or should) deport 11 million people=the vast majority who are having a positive impact on our country
 
We would go back to the way things were prior to roe being imposed-women were nt punished, abortiosits were. Withng two years of Roe being imposed abortions increased from 400,00 a year to over 1.5 million a year. obviously legalization had a huge effect
I don’t know if that’s right because you did not see a drop in 1.5 M in the number of births. From 1972, the number of births was 3.26M. 1974 it was 3.16M. That suggests that women were getting illegal abortions that aren’t counted in the 40,000 that you say.

Furthermore, since many abortions are now chemically induced, I wonder if the abortion rate would drop if abortion were made illegal but without penalties for the women seeking the abortion.
 
Donald Trump’s campaign at last revealed how the Republican presidential candidate plans to pay for a U.S.-Mexico border wall, saying he would threaten to cut off billions of dollars that immigrants in the U.S. send south of the border unless Mexico’s government funds the wall.
latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2016/04/05/trump-says-hell-force-mexico-to-pay-for-border-wall-by-freezing-money-transfers/?intcmp=hpbt1

This is so coincidental.
This morning I was standing at a Walmart service desk waiting to return an item.
The couple with child in front of me seemed to be exclusively Spanish speaking and looking rather…foreign :o
I waited quite sometime for the male to make 3 monetary transactions to a Mexican city. When it was my turn with the Walmart clerk, I was tempted to ask what that was all about but I didn’t because…it wasn’t any of my business.

Now I get the idea.
And I understand the leverage Trump is using to help collect money to fund a boundary wall.
 
latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2016/04/05/trump-says-hell-force-mexico-to-pay-for-border-wall-by-freezing-money-transfers/?intcmp=hpbt1

This is so coincidental.
This morning I was standing at a Walmart service desk waiting to return an item.
The couple with child in front of me seemed to be exclusively Spanish speaking and looking rather…foreign :o
I waited quite sometime for the male to make 3 monetary transactions to a Mexican city. When it was my turn with the Walmart clerk, I was tempted to ask what that was all about but I didn’t because…it wasn’t any of my business.

Now I get the idea.
And I understand the leverage Trump is using to help collect money to fund a boundary wall.
I see why local food pantries in my area have been hurting and call out for more food constantly despite all the other welfare help available.
Just putting 2 + 2 together. You gotta’ look at the output money map on the link I shared.
 
latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2016/04/05/trump-says-hell-force-mexico-to-pay-for-border-wall-by-freezing-money-transfers/?intcmp=hpbt1

This is so coincidental.
This morning I was standing at a Walmart service desk waiting to return an item.
The couple with child in front of me seemed to be exclusively Spanish speaking and looking rather…foreign :o
I waited quite sometime for the male to make 3 monetary transactions to a Mexican city. When it was my turn with the Walmart clerk, I was tempted to ask what that was all about but I didn’t because…it wasn’t any of my business.

Now I get the idea.
And I understand the leverage Trump is using to help collect money to fund a boundary wall.
Makes sense doesn’t it to take money from a poor country to help a rich country build a wall…

And a lot of these Mexicans who are sending money back to Mexico to help support their families there are the ones who are picking our grapes and our lettuce and our oranges in the hot sun for low wages, mowing the lawns and trimming the trees of rich people and being nannies for their children. Should we penalize these people who do jobs that most native born Americans aren’t interested in? And if they weren’t there doing this work, we could all just pay $10 for a bag of oranges instead of $6.
 
we could all just pay $10 for a bag of oranges instead of $6.
Sounds good to me. Seems like I am (without choice) in an illegal sort of way anyway! I prefer to keep money on the table thank you.

My grandparents didn’t get even a tidbit when they came over to this country legally. Not only did they work to feed their own mouths, they turned around and gave back magnanimously to the new country they lived in and made legitimate donations abroad.

I think people have lost their heads!

c’mon!
 
Makes sense doesn’t it to take money from a poor country to help a rich country build a wall…

And a lot of these Mexicans who are sending money back to Mexico to help support their families there are the ones who are picking our grapes and our lettuce and our oranges in the hot sun for low wages, mowing the lawns and trimming the trees of rich people and being nannies for their children. Should we penalize these people who do jobs that most native born Americans aren’t interested in? And if they weren’t there doing this work, we could all just pay $10 for a bag of oranges instead of $6.
Is it fair if an illegal immigrant does not pay IRS income taxes as legal immigrants do?
 
Is it fair if an illegal immigrant does not pay IRS income taxes as legal immigrants do?
Many do pay taxes. Many do their taxes and have to pay the irs. Plus whenever they buy or pay for something, they must pay taxes.
 
Is it fair if an illegal immigrant does not pay IRS income taxes as legal immigrants do?
I don’t think all or most of the Mexican immigrants who send money back to Mexico are illegal. A lot of them, especially agricultural workers, are probably here as a part of guest worker programs.

As for paying income tax, lots of rich people in the US and many US corporations have been shielding their wealth abroad from US taxes.
 
Many do pay taxes. Many do their taxes and have to pay the irs. Plus whenever they buy or pay for something, they must pay taxes.
How would they pay IRS income taxes if they do not have a legal SS number?
 
Makes sense doesn’t it to take money from a poor country to help a rich country build a wall…

And a lot of these Mexicans who are sending money back to Mexico to help support their families there are the ones who are picking our grapes and our lettuce and our oranges in the hot sun for low wages, mowing the lawns and trimming the trees of rich people and being nannies for their children. Should we penalize these people who do jobs that most native born Americans aren’t interested in? And if they weren’t there doing this work, we could all just pay $10 for a bag of oranges instead of $6.
Around here, they’re almost all either industrial workers or construction workers. Native-born can’t get construction jobs anymore at all because it’s all subcontracted to subcontractors who hire illegals. Industries can’t refuse to hire them because if their ID looks valid on it’s face, they can’t question it by law.

It isn’t as if there are no jobs in Mexico. Mexico has a lower unemployment rate that we do. But the wages are about 1/3 what they are here. So is the cost of living. The big draw isn’t to keep from starvation, it’s to get the advantage of a favorable exchange rate and to draw more money for the same work, then spend it where things are cheaper.

It’s not dissimilar to the American oil field workers who go to Kuwait or somewhere to earn the “big bucks” so they can get ahead of similar workers back home. It’s “getting ahead of the Joneses”, Hispanic style.

So, a lot of our workers can’t get jobs and wages are, in any event, lower than they might otherwise be, because our immigration laws aren’t enforced. And for what end? So an illegal here can do better than his neighbors back home?

I am reminded of an illegal industrial worker here who works a year at a time, then returns to Mexico to work his peach orchard there. His son does the same thing in alternating years. They constantly buy land in Mexico and plant peach trees. I asked him what peaches cost in Mexico City, where the land is near. “About the same as here”, he said.

And a lot of dollars go to Mexico because of the drug trade. Trump doesn’t have to stop workers here from sending wage money to Mexico. He could impose an “Agricultural product equalization Act” under which “crops” and livestock of any kind are subjected to an import tax equal to the cost of enforcing laws against marijuana and cocaine coming from Mexico. Source can be identified biologically, and costs shouldn’t be hard to figure out. Possibly a side benefit would be Mexico actually starting to impede the importation of illicit drugs into the U.S. from Mexico.

Another way would be to impose the same restrictions against antibiotic and growth hormone use on cattle coming from Mexico as are imposed on American ranchers. No imports of cattle unless Mexico pays for the same USDA inspections (with American inspectors and payment of the costs) down there as are imposed here.

He could also get rid of the law forbidding employers from actually checking ID, and reinstituting the employer-complicit raids that used to happen before Obama.
 
As for paying income tax, lots of rich people in the US and many US corporations have been shielding their wealth abroad from US taxes.
That is something that I oppose. This, in addition to many other things like the widening disparity of income between rich and poor, the increase in the percentage of temporary 1099 workers, etc., is another reason why Sanders has been getting support. If the legal immigrant pays IRS income taxes, is it fair for an illegal immigrant not to be subject to the same IRS taxes?
 
Makes sense doesn’t it to take money from a poor country to help a rich country build a wall…

And a lot of these Mexicans who are sending money back to Mexico to help support their families there are the ones who are picking our grapes and our lettuce and our oranges in the hot sun for low wages, mowing the lawns and trimming the trees of rich people and being nannies for their children. Should we penalize these people who do jobs that most native born Americans aren’t interested in? And if they weren’t there doing this work, we could all just pay $10 for a bag of oranges instead of $6.
America is rich so it’s all america’s fault. We can’t do anything to stop illegals from coming in because they are poor, oh my! If we ever try even thinking about doing something, how dare we? How can we? How are we so cruel and heartless?

Sorry! Not going to buy that argument. I’m an immigrant from a very poor family. Poverty doesn’t give the right to behave illegally. You either have the law or don’t. You either have a country and defend it or you don’t.
 
How would they pay IRS income taxes if they do not have a legal SS number?
Withholding is simply attributed to the SSN if it’s a real one. Somebody else gets the credit; the person whose ID was stolen. Good fake ID people buy always has real SSNs. If the person whose SSN it really is, is dead, the money just goes off into the capacious maw of the government. The same is true of the SSN isn’t real. But they are almost always the SSN of a real person. Theft of Hispanics’ ID is a big industry. Employers can check the SSNs with E-verify, and they do, but all that tells them is whether the SSN is real or not. That’s why theft of Hispanics’ ID is so big.

I know a lawyer who represents a fair number of Hispanics who get hit with child support garnishments for children of the owner of the real SSN. DNA testing puts those to rest, but nobody ever reports those things to ICE and ICE wouldn’t do anything about it if they did.
 
Definitely have to add this to the list. Apparently the prolife side is not vengeful enough towards pregnant women, so that justifies supporting virulently proabortion politicians and horrific evil.
I know right? Imagine the nerve of us not calling them “murderers”.

Come to think of it, it’s almost like we have a mind of our own that lets us think for ourselves instead of the pro abortion side telling us what to think and say. 😉
 
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