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adowcday said:
It’s hard to tell whether Trump is playing fast and loose with the facts or simply doesn’t know the facts.
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I’d go with “both.”

I wonder at what point his devotees will wake up and realize what a dangerous loose cannon he is.
 
So much dirt is being brought out of the Clinton emails, Trump should foucs on jobs, the economy, crime, not be divisive. His words are just taking away from what is going on with Clinton.
 
adowcday said:
In a recent speech, Donald Trump called President Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, “founders of ISIS.” In follow-up interviews, Trump has doubled down on these claims, saying that he doesn’t just blame Obama for policies that were ineffective in stopping the growth of the group but that he literally founded ISIS.

abcnews.go.com/International/obama-founder-isis-guys/story?id=41299897

It should be noted that ISIS trace its history directly to Iraq in the mid-2000s, according to ISIS experts and analysts. After the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 under President George W. Bush, Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda announced its allegiance with a local insurgent group and dubbed the organization al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). AQI was led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (who was killed in an American airstrike in 2006).

By the time President Obama took office in 2009, AQI had gone through a complex reshuffling, rebranded itself the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI). ISI was forced underground until the outbreak of the Syrian civil war in 2011. Leadership of the terror group eventually fell to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who had been detained by the American military in 2004 but was released by 2006 – well before Obama became the U.S. president.

Al-Baghdadi moved ISI into Syria and, after a falling out with al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, split completely with its former patron, al-Qaeda. In 2013 al-Baghdadi changed his organization’s name to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), “reflecting its greater regional ambitions,” according to the State Department.

It’s hard to tell whether Trump is playing fast and loose with the facts or simply doesn’t know the facts.
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If Trump believes that Obama literally FOUNDED ISIS, what can one say? Perhaps an extension of his birther claims. More likely, Trump meant to use the word “enabled” instead of “founded.” Otherwise, it’s much more serious than “playing fast and loose with the facts or simply (not knowing) the facts.”
 
meltzerboy said:
If Trump literally believes that Obama FOUNDED ISIS, what can one say? Perhaps an extension of his birther claims. More likely, Trump meant to use the word “enabled” instead of “founded.” Otherwise, it’s much more serious than “playing fast and loose with the facts or simply (not knowing) the facts.”
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He was given the opportunity by a conservative interviewer (Hugh Hewitt) to walk his statement back… and just doubled down:

cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis/

One wonders if he really doesn’t want to be President, that it’s a joke that’s gone too far, and he’s now saying increasingly crazy stuff in the hopes that SOMETHING will stick and make even his most fervent disciples back away. It’s no crazier a notion than anything else he’s done.

It is simply chilling that so many people are still supporting him. Had the Republicans nominated any sane person this year, Hillary would be toast.
 
meltzerboy said:
If Trump believes that Obama literally FOUNDED ISIS, what can one say?
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The only thing I can think of – and I admit this is a little weak – is to compare that with phrases like “literally swimming in red tape” and other abuses of the word “literally”.
 
dixieagle said:
He was given the opportunity by a conservative interviewer (Hugh Hewitt) to walk his statement back… and just doubled down:

cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis/

One wonders if he really doesn’t want to be President, that it’s a joke that’s gone too far, and he’s now saying increasingly crazy stuff in the hopes that SOMETHING will stick and make even his most fervent disciples back away. It’s no crazier a notion than anything else he’s done.

It is simply chilling that so many people are still supporting him. Had the Republicans nominated any sane person this year, Hillary would be toast.
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By saying they should of nominated somebody “sane” aren’t you indicating you think Trunp is insane? Democrat Patrick Kennedy has criticised the calling of Trump “crazy”. I know you didn’t use the word “crazy”, but if you are indicating Trump is insane isn’t that basically the same thing? Here is Patrick Kennedy’s piece: washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/08/stop-calling-trump-crazy/?utm_term=.ae8d3e4cf528
 
dixieagle said:
It is simply chilling that so many people are still supporting him. Had the Republicans nominated any sane person this year, Hillary would be toast.
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Agree on both counts. Kasich would have been by far my favorite on the Republican side, but then he was way too sane for the primary electorate and for the Republican Party in its current deplorable state…Maybe 2020.
 
Here is part of the transcript from the interview Trump did with Hugh Hewitt regarding the founder comment:

“HH: I’ve got two more questions. Last night, you said the President was the founder of ISIS. I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace.
DT: No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.
HH: But he’s not sympathetic to them. He hates them. He’s trying to kill them.
DT: I don’t care. He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?
HH: Well, that, you know, I have a saying, Donald Trump, the mnemonic device I use is Every Liberal Really Seems So, So Sad. E is for Egypt, L is for Libya, S is for Syria, R is for Russia reset. They screwed everything up. You don’t get any argument from me. But by using the term founder, they’re hitting with you on this again. Mistake?
DT: No, it’s no mistake. Everyone’s liking it. I think they’re liking it. I give him the most valuable player award. And I give it to him, and I give it to, I gave the co-founder to Hillary. I don’t know if you heard that.
HH: I did. I did. I played it.
DT: I gave her the co-founder.
HH: I know what you’re arguing…
DT: You’re not, and let me ask you, do you not like that?
HH: I don’t. I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn’t create ISIS. That’s what I would say.
DT: Well, I disagree.
HH: All right, that’s okay.
DT: I mean, with his bad policies, that’s why ISIS came about.
HH: That’s…
DT: If he would have done things properly, you wouldn’t have had ISIS.
HH: That’s true.
DT: Therefore, he was the founder of ISIS.
HH: And that’s, I’d just use different language to communicate it, but let me close with this, because I know I’m keeping you long, and Hope’s going to kill me”

hughhewitt.com/donald-trump-makes-return-visit/
 
_Abyssinia said:
By saying they should of nominated somebody “sane” aren’t you indicating you think Trunp is insane? Democrat Patrick Kennedy has criticised the calling of Trump “crazy”. I know you didn’t use the word “crazy”, but if you do think Trump is insane isn’t that is basically the same thing? Here is Patrick Kennedy’s piece: washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/08/stop-calling-trump-crazy/?utm_term=.ae8d3e4cf528
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At the very least, I think he is a narcissist.

I used “sane” in the context of “reasonable, sensible”, neither of which describes Trump, IMHO.
 
Al_Moritz said:
Agree on both counts. Kasich would have been by far my favorite on the Republican side, but then he was way too sane for the primary electorate and for the Republican Party in its current deplorable state…Maybe 2020.
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I liked Kasich, too - at least far more than Trump. I thought he was incredibly gutsy to avoid the convention in his home state.
 
_Abyssinia said:
By saying they should of nominated somebody “sane” aren’t you indicating you think Trunp is insane? Democrat Patrick Kennedy has criticised the calling of Trump “crazy”. I know you didn’t use the word “crazy”, but if you are indicating Trump is insane isn’t that basically the same thing? Here is Patrick Kennedy’s piece: washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/08/stop-calling-trump-crazy/?utm_term=.ae8d3e4cf528
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Trump is insane in the same sense in which Obama is the founder of ISIS. It is an exaggeration for effect. What’s good for the goose…
 
dixieagle said:
I liked Kasich, too - at least far more than Trump. I thought he was incredibly gutsy to avoid the convention in his home state.
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Yes, it was clearly a deep rooted moral choice for him, and he stuck with it. Very admirable. Unlike spineless leaders like Ryan who (wink, wink) ‘endorsed’ Trump because they thought they ‘had no other choice’.
 
If you don’t like Trump don’t vote for him…but don’t vote for Clinton! :eek:
 
dixieagle said:
At the very least, I think he is a narcissist.

I used “sane” in the context of “reasonable, sensible”, neither of which describes Trump, IMHO.
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I think Trump knew that saying outlandish things would help him win the primary (that’s a sad commentary on our country!) but I still think they’re enough to make him unfit for the presidency.
 
meltzerboy said:
If Trump believes that Obama literally FOUNDED ISIS, what can one say? Perhaps an extension of his birther claims. More likely, Trump meant to use the word “enabled” instead of “founded.” Otherwise, it’s much more serious than “playing fast and loose with the facts or simply (not knowing) the facts.”
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Perhaps Mr Trump is just trying on the progressivist mantle by making words mean whatever he wants them to mean.

I mean if the gays can abscond with the word “marriage” and redefine it at will, and liberals can unilaterally assign all kinds of phobias (homophobia, Islamophobia, Xenophobia) to anyone who so much as questions their narrative, why can’t Trump use “founded” to mean whatever he wants it to mean and impose his idiosyncratic meaning on society just as gays and liberals have?

He is just playing the same word game as gays and liberals; why can’t he? Good for the goose, and all that.

Come on, Meltzerboy, get with the times! This is the way it’s done by modernists and progressivists. It’s 2016 after all!!!
 
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