Trump Uses Mount Rushmore Speech to Deliver Divisive Culture War Message

[Nepperhan]

Generally, a speech that uses the “Us against them” theme is considered unifying.

Yes, for the ‘uses’. Maybe we need to unify the country, not just the stalwart Republicans. They are not a majority of the country.

The violence and rioting destroyed that focus.

I think the violence and looting provided conservatives with an excuse. Others did not lose focus: There were stories even today concerning white folks marching as to Black Lives Matter.

" In the 50 years she has lived in Park Ridge, Nan Parson cannot recall a time prior to June 2 when residents rallied publicly against racism.

“Never,” she said emphatically. “It was really something.”

In a suburb where protests are uncommon, the June 2 Call to Peaceful Prayer and Action for Racial Justice drew a crowd of about 500 people — the great majority of them white, some holding signs with the message, “Black lives matter.”"

Suburban protests against racial injustice awakened many white residents. Allies hope they follow through.

In the 50 years she has lived in Park Ridge, Nan Parson cannot recall a time prior to June 2 when residents rallied publicly against racism. “Never,” she said emphatically. “It wa…

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[JonNC]

@JonNC, you do know that murder is illegal and yet. It. Still. Happens

Would you say murder is systemic? It still happens, but is it systemic? And in what system?

first it was systemic racism that lenders redlined certain areas and wouldn’t write loans for houses in those areas.

Redlining was made illegal under the Fair Housing Act of1968.
As I said, systemic racism is illegal under US law, including redlining. If it is practiced, it is outside of the system, and therefore, not systemic.
Again, there is clearly racism and discriminatory actions by individuals.

“The system” doesn’t have to be laws. It can be practices

Again, if someone is practicing discrimination in a systematic way, it is illegal. Report it. Systemic racism is illegal in this country.

 

[Nepperhan]

Redlining was made illegal under the Fair Housing Act of1968.

That’s why Trump was sued and he lost.

As I said, systemic racism is illegal under US law, including redlining. If it is practiced, it is outside of the system, and therefore, not systemic.

Illegal parking is systemic. It is illegal but it goes on all the time, outside the system.

You set up a false dichotomy.

 

[JonNC]

I think the violence and looting provided conservatives with an excuse.

Let’s not forget that these events almost always happen under the leadership of progressive Democrats. If anyone is seeking an excuse, it is them, and their the ones who gave allowed the rioting and looting. Until, of course, kids get kid, then the publicity isn’t so good.

In the 50 years she has lived in Park Ridge, Nan Parson cannot recall a time prior to June 2 when residents rallied publicly against racism.

So you believe that rioting and looting, as much a violation of individual rights as the killing of Chauvin, brought white protesters out?
Absurd. In fact, the outrage against the Floyd killing was virtually universal.

 

[Nepperhan]

Let’s not forget that these events almost always happen under the leadership of progressive Democrats.

Research the riots in Tulsa, Rosewood, FL and the Chicago riot of 1919. Jesuits call your post an example of the ‘post hoc’ fallacy.

So you believe that rioting and looting, as much a violation of individual rights as the killing of Chauvin, brought white protesters out?

I believe the focus on Black Lives Matters has not been lost, as you claimed.

 

[JonNC]

Illegal parking is systemic. It is illegal but it goes on all the time, outside the system.

Then it is not systemic. It is outside the system.

 

[Nepperhan]

Then it is not systemic. It is outside the system.

You stated that a common practice which is illegal could not be systemic. You obviously were, once again, wrong.

 

[JonNC]

Research the riots in Tulsa, Rosewood, FL and the Chicago riot of 1919. Jesuits call your post an example of the ‘post hoc’ fallacy.

Look at virtually every case of police brutality against unarmed citizens. They happen in progressive Democrat run cities. That isn’t a fallacy. That is a fact.

I believe the focus on Black Lives Matters has not been lost, as you claimed.

Let’s hope the focus on the lives of American blacks does as not been lost. Let’s also hope the organization receives the discredit it deserves.

 

[JonNC]

You stated that a common practice which is illegal could not be systemic. You obviously were, once again, wrong.

It isn’t. You are wrong.

 

[otjm]

That is true; my recollection of the refusals had to do with his divorce and remarriage.

 

[otjm]

We were talking about the use of rhetoric. Conservatives love to swing Robert Byrd around like a dead cat. He did not “start” the KKK in WV.

He may not have started the KKK in West Virginia, but according to Encyclopedia Britannica: " In the early 1940s Byrd organized a local [Ku Klux Klan]chapter, although years later he had a change of heart and became a strong supporter of civil rights."

There may be a difference between starting the Klan there from the beginning, and starting a chapter; but he held a high office.

Nowadays there are a whole lot of people under the age of, say, 40, who know nothing of the history of the Democratic Party and its history of racism. Byrd was only one of the players.

 

[Culter]

Do you think white people would be OK with lazy white men using food stamps? I don’t. I think most working people not infected with stupid ideas would resent paying for people who don’t work.

 

[Nepperhan]

Do you think white people would be OK with lazy white men using food stamps? I don’t. I think most working people not infected with stupid ideas would resent paying for people who don’t work.

Do you think it would be ok to typify white people in the US as loaded with idlers collecting food stamps and not wanting to work? Those were the rumors ,despite statistics to the contrary, which were flying around when Reagan made his characterization.

 

[JonNC]

Do you think it would be ok to typify white people in the US as loaded with idlers collecting food stamps and not wanting to work?

If that is true, yes, but Reagan made no reference to any race.

Those were the rumors ,despite statistics to the contrary, which were flying around when Reagan made his characterization.

If Reagan believed that able bodied American men were collecting benefits instead of working, why should he not say it?

 

[Nepperhan]

but Reagan made no reference to any race.

Then I don’t know why so many people state otherwise. I also then don’t understand how this was not repeated by Reagan but only stated to a selected audience.

Your submission that Reagan was not referring to any race is laughable.

 

[JonNC]

Then I don’t know why so many people state otherwise.

It has been the political lie from the Democrats for decades. That’s why. It has often worked. It worked against McCain and Romney. It worked against Dole.

I also then don’t understand how this was not repeated by Reagan but only stated to a selected audience.

How often did Obama day,”You didn’t build that”? Did he say it at every campaign stop?

Your submission that Reagan was not referring to any race is laughable

You submission that it does with no evidence is slander.

 

[MikeInVA]

Then I don’t know why so many people state otherwise.

For the exact same reason they attack Christopher Columbus and St. Junipero Serra.

 

[otjm]

That may have been the “on the ground” reaction; it was portrayed here as otherwise.

But then, it would not be the first time a skew was applied in news reporting.

There is an old adage: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. I don’t intend to start a debate about Communism, nor do I intend to defend any excesses by those opposed to Communism. The track record for the opposition has not been stellar, and I will leave it at that.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Nepperhan:

Ignoring a problem is not an effective method to solving it.

If you keep scratching a scab it won’t heal, it will get infected.

There are some things, like scabs, that heal on their own. There are other things, like cancer, that just get worse if left alone. Systemic racism is more like cancer than a scab.

 

[Ender]

Systemic racism is more like cancer than a scab.

How about defining what you mean by systemic racism and citing what you think are its most glaring examples?