Trump Uses Mount Rushmore Speech to Deliver Divisive Culture War Message

[LeafByNiggle]

Actually, it was after America.

Maybe true for some places in Europe, but for Britain it was 1833. For France it was 1848. For Spain it was 1811. For Sweden it was 1813.

Question: do we seek to ensure that all Americans’ rights are protected, or do we tear down rights?

I don’t know what rights you think are under threat of being torn down.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

Question: do we seek to ensure that all Americans’ rights are protected, or do we tear down rights?

I don’t know what rights you think are under threat of being torn down.

Let’s start with the right to presumption of innocence. I had nothing to do with slavery, Jim Crow. I’ve had no “white privilege”.
Private property rights: as such, since I’m not responsible for the above, I shouldn’t be liable for “reparations”.

There’s a start.

 

[JonNC]

Maybe true for some places in Europe, but for Britain it was 1833. For France it was 1848. For Spain it was 1811. For Sweden it was 1813.

And the west was essentially first.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Maybe true for some places in Europe, but for Britain it was 1833. For France it was 1848. For Spain it was 1811. For Sweden it was 1813.

And the west was essentially first.

Isn’t “the west” both Europe and America? I only compared Europe to America, in which case most of Europe was first - at least Britain, France, Spain, and Sweden were.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Let’s start with the right to presumption of innocence. I had nothing to do with slavery, Jim Crow. I’ve had no “white privilege”.
Private property rights: as such, since I’m not responsible for the above, I shouldn’t be liable for “reparations”.

I don’t think that right is in jeopardy. Has anyone contacted you asking you to make reparations?

 

[JonNC]

Isn’t “the west” both Europe and America? I only compared Europe to America, in which case most of Europe was first - at least Britain, France, Spain, and Sweden were.

Yes, and the west outlawed slavery before most other areas. Slavery is still a problem in many other parts of the world.

 

[MikeInVA]

And I already said the same thing as Jon did, but I guess my opinion doesn’t fit the narrative.

 

[JonNC]

Has anyone contacted you asking you to make reparations?

Protests include a renewed call for reparations

The latest outpouring of anger and frustration about centuries of systemic racism has renewed calls for reparations for

www.politifact.com

What does this look like to you?

 

[MikeInVA]

I noticed that you are making it about race, even when two Americans tell you that you’ve got it wrong.

 

[JonNC]

And I already said the same thing as Jon did, but I guess my opinion doesn’t fit the narrative.

It doesn’t. The narrative hasn’t change for 60 plus years. Truth really doesn’t matter.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

What does this look like to you?

It does not look like a call for you personally to provide reparations, so your rights are protected.

 

[JonNC]

It does not look like a call for you personally to provide reparations, so your rights are protected.

Of course it does. As a citizen of the US, who else do you think she is talking about?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

I don’t think she even knows you, so I don’t know why you feel personally threatened.

 

[JonNC]

The same ones who said McCain, Romney, both Bush presidents, and Dole were all racists. Are you taking their word for them, too?
Do you not see the pattern? This has always been an election tactic. A despicable one at that.

 

[JonNC]

I don’t think she even knows you, so I don’t know why you feel personally threatened.

Threatened? No.
Who do you think she expects to pay reparations?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

You are the one fearing the loss of his rights, so why don’t you stop this guessing game and just come out and say exactly what it is that you fear?

 

[YADA]

Except Reagan may or may not have meant Blacks … those who did not like Reagan said he was referring to African Americans - that was the interpretation placed in peoples minds - we see that a great deal in these times … there are more white welfare queens than African Americans - in the 1980s and today …

The real issue is that people should not make a career out of collecting social services when they are perfectly capable of working …

You can call it a dog whistle … but I understood what Reagan meant and I did not understand it at all to be directed at people of color … I did think then and now he was speaking to some of my relatives [not those of color of which I have by the way] who found it easier to sit at home collecting welfare and complaining about their life instead of working …

The problem I have with the supposed dog whistles - is that normal people dont hear the dog whistle only dogs do … so when people tell you they hear all of the “whistles” of racism that informs me about where their hearts are …

 

[Nepperhan]

In other words, because he was white, he must have meant black men?
Am I properly reading between the lines?

No, what you are doing is being obtuse. Ask ‘Willie’ Horton.

 

[Nepperhan]

Ronald was not a racist.

No one called him a racist.

Reagan well knew how to race-bait. That is a historical fact. Ignore it at your peril.

The problem I have with the supposed dog whistles - is that normal people dont hear the dog whistle only dogs do … so when people tell you they hear all of the “whistles” of racism that informs me about where their hearts are …

An appeal to ‘states rights’ in Meridien, MS? That’s less a dog whistle than a historical allusion! Reagan did it – he knew his audience.

It is quite obvious to anyone with discernment just who Reagan was referring to in his remark about ‘young bucks’ and it was an inaccurate and insulting claim. You can dance around it all you want and try to explain it away but, believe me, whites and black knew exactly what he was talking about.

 

[Nepperhan]

Let’s start with the right to presumption of innocence. I had nothing to do with slavery, Jim Crow. I’ve had no “white privilege”.
Private property rights: as such, since I’m not responsible for the above, I shouldn’t be liable for “reparations”.

Every white person in America, even if he or she has never met a minority, has benefited from racial discrimination in America against racail minorities. This was explained to me by a white priest in the early eighties. Don’t fool yourself.