Trump v. Clinton matchup has Catholic leaders scrambling

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The grief they experience post-abortion will cause a lifetime of intense suffering. That’s punishment enough! 😦
What evidence is there that most women who have abortions experience a lifetime of intense suffering? I do know a few women who have had abortions and doubt that they have had the experience you describe.
 
Sure a lot of abortion on demand supporters in here.

But then, that happened in 2008 and in 2012 too.
 
You do realize, do you not, that he’s a Presbyterian, and his church is not the Catholic Church. The Presbyterian church is very accepting of abortion. If Trump has backed off from what his church teaches (and he has, it appears) then that’s not something for which to condemn him.

But regardless, he said he opposes abortion except in the cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother. That is NOT abortion on demand such as Hillary Clinton espouses. She even favors partial birth abortion; killing a perfectly viable child who is mostly born but not quite.
I don’t care what faith he has, or how “well” he practices that faith, if he’s supporting ANY pro-choice ways, he is not getting my vote. I don’t do “lesser of two evils.” If there is even such a thing in this election.

You are quite certain about his change of heart. I hope it’s true for his sake, but his other life issues are not relaying this message.
 
Sure a lot of abortion on demand supporters in here.

But then, that happened in 2008 and in 2012 too.
I am NOT an abortion on demand supporter, simply because I choose to not vote “the lesser of two evils.”

If you want Trump as your leader for the next four to eight years, that’s your perogative. :rolleyes:
 
The grief they experience post-abortion will cause a lifetime of intense suffering. That’s punishment enough! 😦

Trump really seems to have a fascination with punishing people. 😦

Oh, so he’s unsure wether or not first-trimester abortions are acceptable??? That makes up the majority of abortions! :eek:
Some may feel this grief, but there are far more who have one abortion after another. They use it as birth control. I know this because I have gone over too many records of women having abortions and it is scary how many times you come across the same name.
 
What evidence is there that most women who have abortions experience a lifetime of intense suffering? I do know a few women who have had abortions and doubt that they have had the experience you describe.
I’ve worked directly in post-abortion ministry, they suffer unimaginable pain. 😦

Many try to cover the pain by making it seem they aren’t sorry, but deep down, most are hurting or will hurt in the future. 😦
 
The problem is not just with Trump’s position on immigration. He actually encourages many of his supporters’ anti-Hispanic prejudices (not just anti-illegal immigrant). Take this, for example:

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/09/latino-voter-turnout-trump-kryptonite
The Republicans will still be in circular firing squad mode come November. Nothing I’ve seen in the primaries leads me to believe otherwise. The Party is in pieces and our country will not give the reigns of power to a Party in such a shape.

While I am delighted to elect Hillary Clinton as our next POTUS, I’m truly sad about the shape of the Republican Party. I honestly can’t see where the bleeding ends or what will arise from the ashes.
 
Another vote for Hillary Clinton and abortion on demand.
RR,

I understand that the abortion issue is important to you. It is important to me too. But I have to ask - in all honesty - what have Republican Presidents done to stop abortion when they have held power?

Abortion just seems like a red herring to me when it is tossed about in our political arena.
 
Have you been asleep when we see that they BEHEAD [and perform so many other atrocious/torturous tactics & acts before **killing
their victims], not only men and women but also CHILDREN???! :rolleyes:

Look, I think we have to change our law on the waterboarding thing, where they can chop off heads and drown people in cages, in heavy steel cages and we can’t water board. We have to change our laws and we have to be able to fight at least on almost equal basis. We have laws that we have to obey in terms of torture. They have no laws whatsoever that they have to obey.”
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In light of your username, I find this opinion a little scary.
 
Someone should tell the Bishop there’s more than two options.
There are generally only two viable options. we can, of course, throw our vote away on a non viable but doctrinally pure candidate but such an action merely cedes the political playing field to those who support abortion. IMO we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the possible. It is a tough but necessary decision to vote for a candidate who supports abortion in cases of rape or incest as children conceived this way have an unalienable right to life But since the alternative is a candidate that supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand you hold your nose and vote to lessen evil.
 
How does that work. Im not grasping the logic. 🙂 Whats the lesser of two evils and why?
RidgeRunner is saying that since Trump is “less evil” because he is supposedly less pro-choice than Hillary Clinton is, that we should give him our vote as third parties have no real chance of winning.

He has also told us that if we do NOT vote for the “lesser of two evils,” and vote 3rd party or not at all, then we are supporting Hillary’s policies to push abortion on demand.

Make sense?
 
Im not grasping the logic. Whys Clinton the lesser of two evils?

Hillary kills 1-million a year and more promised. Trump is still talking and no one died at all.

We heard all the drama, do you have a logical answer now?
 
Bless you! That’s what I’ve been trying to tell these people!
There is a segment of Catholic voters for whom the single issue of abortion is the single issue. I don’t begrudge them that stance in the least. I feel sympathy for them because you have to engage in the most tortuous form of logic to convince yourself that Trump is anti-choice. It’s got to be painful.
 
There are generally only two viable options. we can, of course, throw our vote away on a non viable but doctrinally pure candidate but such an action merely cedes the political playing field to those who support abortion. IMO we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the possible. It is a tough but necessary decision to vote for a candidate who supports abortion in cases of rape or incest as children conceived this way have an unalienable right to life But since the alternative is a candidate that supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand you hold your nose and vote to lessen evil.
But this is the very reason our country is in such a mess. Because we side with “lesser” of two evils". We shouldn’t side with ANY evil.
 
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