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meltzerboy said:
I agree. Those of us who live in New York and New Jersey have been disappointed with Christie for quite some time, and not only due to the infamous George Washington Bridge scandal. His outspokenness has its appeal, I suppose, but he can also be brash and arrogant as well as, at times, warm and caring about the people he serves. As far as I am concerned, he and Trump are two peas in a pod and deserve each other.
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Yes, they deserve each other. (is it my imagination or does Christie look incredibly uncomfortable, unhappy and guilty in his post Trump conversion photos) But since Trump has the nomination and quite possibly the White House, I am glad that mainstream, moderate Republicans are getting involved. The team Trump assembles will be critical. Keep your friends close, your enemies closer.

Super Tuesday does not look good for either Cruz or Rubio. I suspect Cruz will do better of the two, winning Texas and making strong showings throughout the South - he could pull ahead as the last standing challenger to Trump. Rubio must win 3-5 states on Tuesday to be a serious contender for the nomination, and that is not in the cards. He trails Trump by 10% or more in every state, including Florida (3/15). All this frantic Romneyesque establishment pressure behind him may actually be hurting him. Cruz can’t win beyond the South, handful of Midwest evangelical states, very conservative base. He got 15% of the nonEvangelical vote in SC; imagine him against Hillary in Florida, Ohio, New York, California. Trump is it, folks.

We also need to remember that a lot of this populist white rage in the South (and elsewhere) is a direct result of Obama - Kim Davis, taking down the Confederate Flag, gay marriage decision, Obamacare. Payback is a b… (and if you think for a minute these folks will vote for Rubio you are nuts) Some people just don’t know when to stop, when to compromise, give the other side room. Oh well. Too late now. I think the Northeast is just on board with the hometown hero, about as old-time NE GOP establishment as it comes…

I am not going to watch the results on Tuesday night - will do a Fellini movie - Amarcord, 1973. Just as unhinged as Super Tuesday (Mussolini is in it), but much more intelligent, funny, and human. Wasn’t Rockefeller in office in 1973 anyway? I’ll be with y’all in spirit in front your TVs, tearing your hair out. Enjoy.

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FollowChrist34 said:
Yes, they deserve each other. (is it my imagination or does Christie look incredibly uncomfortable, unhappy and guilty in his post Trump conversion photos) But since Trump has the nomination and quite possibly the White House, I am glad that mainstream, moderate Republicans are getting involved. The team Trump assembles will be critical. Keep your friends close, your enemies closer.

Super Tuesday does not look good for either Cruz or Rubio. I suspect Cruz will do better of the two, winning Texas and making strong showings throughout the South - he could pull ahead as the last standing challenger to Trump. Rubio must win 3-5 states on Tuesday to be a serious contender for the nomination, and that is not in the cards. He trails Trump by 10% or more in every state, including Florida (3/15). All this frantic Romneyesque establishment pressure behind him may actually be hurting him. Cruz can’t win beyond the South, handful of Midwest evangelical states, very conservative base. He got 15% of the nonEvangelical vote in SC; imagine him against Hillary in Florida, Ohio, New York, California. Trump is it, folks.

We also need to remember that a lot of this populist white rage in the South (and elsewhere) is a direct result of Obama - Kim Davis, taking down the Confederate Flag, gay marriage decision, Obamacare. Payback is a b… (and if you think for a minute these folks will vote for Rubio you are nuts) Some people just don’t know when to stop, when to compromise, give the other side room. Oh well. Too late now. I think the Northeast is just on board with the hometown hero, about as old-time NE GOP establishment as it comes…

I am not going to watch the results on Tuesday night - will do a Fellini movie - Amarcord, 1973. Just as unhinged as Super Tuesday (Mussolini is in it), but much more intelligent, funny, and human. Wasn’t Rockefeller in office in 1973 anyway? I’ll be with y’all in spirit in front your TVs, tearing your hair out. Enjoy.

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Fellini is a perfect choice. Maybe I’ll watch 8 1/2.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Yes, they deserve each other. (is it my imagination or does Christie look incredibly uncomfortable, unhappy and guilty in his post Trump conversion photos)
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Well, he sold out, didn’t he? He sold out, big time. Politicians are used to selling out, but having to go forth and try to defend Trump’s absurd proposals, proposals which he very recently derided as absurd, is an unenviable position for any candidate.

“For what is a man profited , if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
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FollowChrist34:
We also need to remember that a lot of this populist white rage in the South (and elsewhere) is a direct result of Obama - Kim Davis, taking down the Confederate Flag, gay marriage decision, Obamacare. Payback is a b… (and if you think for a minute these folks will vote for Rubio you are nuts) Some people just don’t know when to stop, when to compromise, give the other side room.
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To be honest, those who are most outraged by the aforementioned factors have never been inclined to compromise about anything, or give the other side room (e.g. at the front of buses, lunch counters, schools, etc) at any time in American history. Hence the Confederacy, the Klan, Citizens Councils, etc.

Frankly, I think the election of a black guy broke the American political system. For 200 years, the presidency was tailor-made and designed to elect white guys. The election–and re-election–of Obama caused a page fault in the computer of American democracy. Thousands of white people thought to themselves: “this isn’t supposed to happen!”, and responded by rushing to the whitest, most establishment candidates alive: Romney and Trump.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
Well, he sold out, didn’t he? He sold out, big time. Politicians are used to selling out, but having to go forth and try to defend Trump’s absurd proposals, proposals which he very recently derided as absurd, is an unenviable position for any candidate.

“For what is a man profited , if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

To be honest, those who are most outraged by the aforementioned factors have never been inclined to compromise about anything at any time in American history. Hence the Confederacy, the Klan, Citizens Councils, etc.

Frankly, I think the election of a black guy broke the American political system. For 200 years, the presidency was tailor-made and designed to elect white guys. The election–and re-election–of Obama caused a page fault in the computer of American democracy. Thousands of white people thought to themselves: “this isn’t supposed to happen!”, and responded by rushing to the whitest, most establishment candidates alive: Romney and Trump.
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Oh wow! What great revelation! Everything wrong about America comes from racist white people. Kudos to you!!!
 
Darryl_Revok said:
Frankly, I think the election of a black guy broke the American political system. For 200 years, the presidency was tailor-made and designed to elect white guys. The election–and re-election–of Obama caused a page fault in the computer of American democracy. Thousands of white people thought to themselves: “this isn’t supposed to happen!”, and responded by rushing to the whitest, most establishment candidates alive: Romney and Trump.
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Let me guess: Clinton is looking for a new speech writer and you need a job?
 
He denounced him in a small news conference where no one would see him… But when he is an interview where millions are watching he cannot.

Once again this is like denouncing ISIS it should be done everytime. The fact that Trump’s supporters continue to defend him truly scares me. Seriously!
 
Trump is done. He may still get the GOP nomination, but he stands no chance now in the general, absent some huge world-changing event. His potential for a victory in November was in his “cross-over” appeal, getting a decent percentage of independent and Democratic voters. That isn’t going to happen now after his KKK disavowal disaster. He may have won a few more racist votes on the right fringe, but he lost a huge amount of potential votes in the political middle, including moderate GOP votes. The question may have been a set-up, but it was a softball, and he flubbed it. It may seem to blow over for a while during the next few months, but it will resurface again in the fall, big time. Plus, if he flubs something like this, what other stupid statement or non-statement will he make in the heat of an interview or a debate?
 
I am not sure how it is a gotcha question. It is seriously an easy question. Crazies are supporting you do you support them. I mean seriously
 
Peter_J said:
Let me guess: Clinton is looking for a new speech writer and you need a job?
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grotto:
Race baiting loud and clear.
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Two more responses, and neither has actually attacked the substance of what I wrote, or denied my central thesis.

Indeed, the tendency to lash out at the messenger and impugn my motives, rather than attacking my point, leads me to believe that my observations have struck a nerve.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
Well, he sold out, didn’t he? He sold out, big time. Politicians are used to selling out, but having to go forth and try to defend Trump’s absurd proposals, proposals which he very recently derided as absurd, is an unenviable position for any candidate.

“For what is a man profited , if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

To be honest, those who are most outraged by the aforementioned factors have never been inclined to compromise about anything, or give the other side room (e.g. at the front of buses, lunch counters, schools, etc) at any time in American history. Hence the Confederacy, the Klan, Citizens Councils, etc.

Frankly, I think the election of a black guy broke the American political system. For 200 years, the presidency was tailor-made and designed to elect white guys. The election–and re-election–of Obama caused a page fault in the computer of American democracy. Thousands of white people thought to themselves: “this isn’t supposed to happen!”, and responded by rushing to the whitest, most establishment candidates alive: Romney and Trump.
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Sorry, but this kind of vicious ideological soap-boxing is what landed us in the mess. Y’all have met your match in Donald and his white rage gang. Look in the mirror.

And I forgot to add failure to defend against ISIS and threatening the 2nd amendment to my list of anti-Obama rage.
 
bekalc said:
I am not sure how it is a gotcha question. It is seriously an easy question. Crazies are supporting you do you support them. I mean seriously
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How many times does he have to disavow Duke, he did it the day before; what is this? Pull a string and hear him talk?
 
Path_Finder said:
How many times does he have to disavow Duke, he did it the day before; what is this? Pull a string and hear him talk?
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No no you don’t understand, it’s not enough to disavow them once, or twice, Trump has to officially condemn the group, swear he doesn’t support the group, then do a press conference for this official condemnation. Even that won’t be enough, because it would have been too late.

The press will still be asking questions about this. They will pretend to scratch their heads until they can catch trump in a scandalous word or two.
Fortunately, if there is one thing the American people distrust and dislike as much as, if not more than, run-of-the-mill politicians, **it’s the media. **
 
Fellow I know from India is very big into Trump, he talks a lot about the huge debt of the US, however many trillion and recommends reading some book; so, per this forum demonstrating as well, Trump has a lot of followers across the spectrum.
 
queenofheartscv said:
No no you don’t understand, it’s not enough to disavow them once, or twice, Trump has to officially condemn the group, swear he doesn’t support the group, then do a press conference for this official condemnation. Even that won’t be enough, because it would have been too late.

The press will still be asking questions about this. They will pretend to scratch their heads until they can catch trump in a scandalous word or two.
Fortunately, if there is one thing the American people distrust and dislike as much as, if not more than, run-of-the-mill politicians, **it’s the media. **
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White supremacists are campaigning for Trump; they are part of his core support in the South; he can’t afford to alienate them.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
Well, he sold out, didn’t he? He sold out, big time. Politicians are used to selling out, but having to go forth and try to defend Trump’s absurd proposals, proposals which he very recently derided as absurd, is an unenviable position for any candidate.

“For what is a man profited , if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

To be honest, those who are most outraged by the aforementioned factors have never been inclined to compromise about anything, or give the other side room (e.g. at the front of buses, lunch counters, schools, etc) at any time in American history. Hence the Confederacy, the Klan, Citizens Councils, etc.

Frankly, I think the election of a black guy broke the American political system. For 200 years, the presidency was tailor-made and designed to elect white guys. The election–and re-election–of Obama caused a page fault in the computer of American democracy. Thousands of white people thought to themselves: “this isn’t supposed to happen!”, and responded by rushing to the whitest, most establishment candidates alive: Romney and Trump.
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I read somewhere that hate groups expanded by 400% after Obama was elected. When I tried to research that point I found this:

The antigovernment ‘Patriot’ movement expands for the fourth year in a row as hate groups remain at near-historic highs

Capping four years of explosive growth sparked by the election of America’s first black president and anger over the economy, the number of conspiracy-minded antigovernment “Patriot” groups reached an all-time high of 1,360 in 2012, while the number of hard-core hate groups remained above 1,000. As President Obama enters his second term with an agenda of gun control and immigration reform, the rage on the right is likely to intensify.

splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2013/year-hate-and-extremism

And many more articles to support your thesis.
 
Path_Finder said:
How many times does he have to disavow Duke, he did it the day before; what is this? Pull a string and hear him talk?
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If you have watched the press conferences for any of the candidates, you may have noticed that they keep asking the same questions over and over. I’m definetly not sticking up for Trump, but what the heck already. They keep asking the same question until the next talking point takes their fancy. I’ve seen very few, if any, substantive questions.
 
Good_Tidings said:
If you have watched the press conferences for any of the candidates, you may have noticed that they keep asking the same questions over and over. I’m definetly not sticking up for Trump, but what the heck already. They keep asking the same question until the next talking point takes their fancy. I’ve seen very few, if any, substantive questions.
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They probably do this to all the republican candidates especially the frontrunner, but they will never do it with Hillary.
 
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