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Tomdstone said:
Possibly. But the polls so far show that either Cruz or Rubio is doing better against Hillary than Trump. Of course, things could change.
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Don’t go messin us up with them facts man; it ain’t cool.

Yours truly,
whitegenocideTM
 
gracepoole said:
You’re the one who doesn’t seem to believe the Twitter handle @whitegenocideTM is associated with white supremacy. Here you go: twitter.com/fwhitegenocide

Enjoy that.

Be sure to scroll far enough to see its use of the entrance of Auschwitz to spread its “message.”
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Boy. That site is right up there with Storm Front. What a world.
 
utah_rose said:
I’m no lover of Trump but if Hillary is the nominee and Trump is, any kind of mud she slings at him he will sling back. Both know each other and both seem to lie and speak half truths. But all of the candidates except Carson and Kasich are acting like bad boys in school, calling each other names instead of getting together and attacking Hillary and Sanders ideologies. We can’t win this way and if Trump wins the nomination, they should either support him or shut up. It is emotion that Trump is counting on. Sadly, people aren’t vetting their candidates and studying the issues.
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I am not sure supporting Trump is even an option for many in the party, and not just for the prolife movement either. I hope the GOP deals with that. To rubber stamp Trump is to fundamentally betray the party’s ideals, identity.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
Frankly, I think the election of a black guy broke the American political system. For 200 years, the presidency was tailor-made and designed to elect white guys. The election–and re-election–of Obama caused a page fault in the computer of American democracy. Thousands of white people thought to themselves: “this isn’t supposed to happen!”, and responded by rushing to the whitest, most establishment candidates alive: Romney and Trump.
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That’s a great line. I am totaling stealing that.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I am not sure supporting Trump is even an option for many in the party, and not just for the prolife movement either. I hope the GOP deals with that. To rubber stamp Trump is to fundamentally betray the party’s ideals, identity.
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He has said that he is pro-life (with the political exceptions) many, many times. 2 points:
  1. He could be lying, I suppose. But then again, every politician could be lying. Ergo, you can vote for no one
  2. In the end, do you want a President Clinton that’s 100% pro-abortion, or a President Trump that is again 95% of abortions. And voting third party guarantees you option 1 (HRC)
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
In the end, do you want a President Clinton that’s 100% pro-abortion, or a President Trump that is again 95% of abortions. And voting third party guarantees you option 1 (HRC)
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Considering that Trump’s spokesperson has commented, and I quote: “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?”, there are bigger issues involved here.

Myopia and lack of the big picture are the fatal flaws of Trump supporters.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
He has said that he is pro-life (with the political exceptions) many, many times. 2 points:
  1. He could be lying, I suppose. But then again, every politician could be lying. Ergo, you can vote for no one
  2. In the end, do you want a President Clinton that’s 100% pro-abortion, or a President Trump that is again 95% of abortions. And voting third party guarantees you option 1 (HRC)
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There are more important things than winning at all costs, in any way, under any circumstances. That is not how I vote; it would be a violation of conscience and principle. (it is not just about the prolife issue with me)
 
Darryl_Revok said:
Two more responses, and neither has actually attacked the substance of what I wrote, or denied my central thesis.

Indeed, the tendency to lash out at the messenger and impugn my motives, rather than attacking my point, leads me to believe that my observations have struck a nerve.
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Darryl, you mostly gave your unsupported opinion,
not much to attack beyond saying “I disagree with you”
gracepoole said:
From The Republican Party’s implosion over Donald Trump’s candidacy has arrived.

Apt point #1: At a moment when Republicans had hoped to begin taking on Hillary Clinton — who is seemingly on her way to wrapping up the Democratic nomination — the GOP has instead become consumed by a crisis over its identity and core values that is almost certain to last through the July party convention, if not the rest of the year.
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Not true, Trumps positions are not out of line (immigration, tax reform, ACA reform, etc). The GOP just doesn’t like the packaging.
Apt point #2: “For many Republicans, Trump is more than just a political choice,” said Kevin Madden, a veteran operative who advised 2012 nominee Mitt Romney. “It’s a litmus test for character.”
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Sounds like ‘establishment’ rationalizing what they don’t understand. Even evangelicals are picking Trump for potential leadership, not teaching Sunday School. People picked Reagan over Carter also for leadership.

(It’s a litmus test for all Americans, really)
Apt point #3: “We’re looking at pulling together people with deep knowledge and experience at Republican conventions going back to Barry Goldwater in ’64 or Reagan in ’76,” Stone said of his efforts, which have been taking place by telephone. “If they try to change the rules to steal it from Trump, he’ll need friends who understand the rules.”
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Yes, people are actually passionate for Trump. It’s a pity neither Romney nor Kasich inspire people in similar fashion.
And finally, apt point #4: Some party leaders are openly wondering how Rubio, after labeling Trump a “con man,” could show up at the convention in Cleveland and endorse him.
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Precisely. The fracturing of this party is staggering.
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Guess they’ll have to suck it up, man up.
 
utah_rose said:
I’m no lover of Trump but if Hillary is the nominee and Trump is, any kind of mud she slings at him he will sling back. Both know each other and both seem to lie and speak half truths. But all of the candidates except Carson and Kasich are acting like bad boys in school, calling each other names instead of getting together and attacking Hillary and Sanders ideologies. We can’t win this way and if Trump wins the nomination, they should either support him or shut up. It is emotion that Trump is counting on. Sadly, people aren’t vetting their candidates and studying the issues.
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As O’Reilly said, this is an election based on emotions as regards Trump. I bet you could ask the majority of his supporters what his stance on a particular issue is, and they could not tell you. He is just not a politician, that’s enough for them. How anyone could support a candidate with that kind of behavior is beyond my comprehension.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
Considering that Trump’s spokesperson has commented, and I quote: “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?”, there are bigger issues involved here.

Myopia and lack of the big picture are the fatal flaws of Trump supporters.
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Break down the quote. Enlighten us as to how that quote is wrong. If you have a gun and are afraid to use it, what good does the gun do for you? For Martial artists, if they are afraid to use their art for self defense, what good is it to learn the art?

If our enemies know we are not afraid to use our weapons, they are not likely to try us. How is this wrong? It’s not saying we’re going to use it recklessly. It’s saying we don’t show our enemy we are afraid to use the weapon.

Maybe logic is a fatal flaw on the other side of the isle.
 
mary_bobo said:
As O’Reilly said, this is an election based on emotions as regards Trump. I bet you could ask the majority of his supporters what his stance on a particular issue is, and they could not tell you. He is just not a politician, that’s enough for them. How anyone could support a candidate with that kind of behavior is beyond my comprehension.
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He has no stances.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Break down the quote. Enlighten us as to how that quote is wrong. If you have a gun and are afraid to use it, what good does the gun do for you? For Martial artists, if they are afraid to use their art for self defense, what good is it to learn the art?
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This is probably an uncharitable opinion, and may very well get me banned, but if you are representative of the average Trump supporter in re: national security and nuclear weapons, then your kind is a menace to the survival of the Republic, and *deserves *to be marginalized and removed from the electoral process. I can only cross my fingers and hope for rampant anti-Trump voter fraud.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
This is probably an uncharitable opinion, and may very well get me banned, but if you are representative of the average Trump supporter in re: national security and nuclear weapons, then your kind is a menace to the survival of the Republic, and *deserves *to be marginalized and removed from the electoral process. I can only cross my fingers and hope for rampant anti-Trump voter fraud.
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So you cannot argue logically and can only resort to anger. My point proven.
 
Some commentators, looking at the rising success of Trump, are comparing him to Ronald Reagan, saying that he is shaking up the GOP and changing the party’s views in similar ways. Some predict the party’s collapse; others believe it will result in a renaissance. What do you predict? How will changes in the Republican party affect your vote? I’m particularly interested in how Catholics will vote if the party turns against any of their key positions.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I have to admit this is fantastic. The bit about logic being a fatal flaw. I love it.
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You know what I mean. I’m an immigrant and so made a grammar mistake. Let me correct myself.

Lack of logic is a fatal flaw of those on the other side.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
He has said that he is pro-life (with the political exceptions) many, many times. 2 points:
  1. He could be lying, I suppose. But then again, every politician could be lying. Ergo, you can vote for no one
  2. In the end, do you want a President Clinton that’s 100% pro-abortion, or a President Trump that is again 95% of abortions. And voting third party guarantees you option 1 (HRC)
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I don’t see how his, “I’m pro life with caveats of rape, incest and life of the mother and if that doesn’t apply to you, it depends on when you want the abortion” qualifies as pro life. If you don’t know what I’m referring to see his interview with Bloomberg that has been posted multiple times.

Not that I’d ever vote for Clinton either.
 
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