Trump's Messing With the Military

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I don’t know why he fired Esper, but the last time he fired a Secretary of Defense, it was to prevent a disastrous military misadventure. I think this article is much ado about nothing.
 
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ChuckB said:
I sure hope he’s not planning to involve the U.S. in some disastrous military misadventure on his way out the door.
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I share your hope, but unfortunately it is not an impossibility. A little skirmish with Iran and “regretfully” the election’s result must be put on hold, until it is resolved.
 
MikeInVA said:
I don’t know why he fired Esper, but the last time he fired a Secretary of Defense, it was to prevent a disastrous military misadventure. I think this article is much ado about nothing.
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A secretary of defense, a national security adviser and others.
This is, frankly, part of the reason he is despised in Washington.
 
He’ll likely be out of office in a month. Do you really think the underlings can’t run the show for a month? They have probably been running it right along because these guys at the top do little or none of the actual work.
 
Zake said:
A little skirmish with Iran and “regretfully” the election’s result must be put on hold, until it is resolved.
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If the election results were put on hold, his term in office still expires at noon on January 20. He wouldn’t be POTUS anymore. Hello President Pelosi…and I don’t know anyone who wants that.

(Actually, I don’t know who would take the office at that point. Pelosi is one outcome I’ve read about since she is next line, another is that the House of Representatives would elect an interim president. I just know that it wouldn’t be Trump.)
 
ChuckB said:
I can’t understand what he’s doing. What’s his end-game here?
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A prelude to Martial Law declared by Executive Order.
He will stack the Military with his loyalists.
Then pen the Order.
Who will defy him and the Military?
 
ChuckB said:
If the election results were put on hold, his term in office still expires at noon on January 20. He wouldn’t be POTUS anymore. Hello President Pelosi…and I don’t know anyone who wants that.
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Those that put Pelosi in office?
 
ChuckB said:
(Actually, I don’t know who would take the office at that point. Pelosi is one outcome I’ve read about since she is next line, another is that the House of Representatives would elect an interim president. I just know that it wouldn’t be Trump.)
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It would be the current House of Representatives voting. Biden would be voted in.
 
I have faith in the men and women in the armed forces it would be a total shame on the USA if something bad happened - so much for the greatest country in the world with the best system - its all over if it happens . National pride seems to of been lost.
 
Esper et al are still resisting the drawdown of American troops.

We voted for that way back in 2016, among other things. The MIC has been resisting Trump on this for a long time now.

What you will find in this Twitter thread are neocons who are salivating at the new opportunity to exercise their warmongering under President Biden. You Biden voters voted for scum like this to run our foreign policy. When you see the buzz phrases like “Advancing Democracy Abroad”, remember how all those Mideast wars were about “instituting democracy”, well that’s code for “let’s invade another country” to start a war. Neoconnery … should not have fallen for that siren song. Either too many voters are too dense about this or it was so unpopular that they had to cheat their man in. Either way does not bode well for the country.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1326557200928661504
 
RidgeSprinter said:
It would be the current House of Representatives voting. Biden would be voted in.
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I’m not so sure. Doesn’t the new Congress take office early in January? If the election hadn’t been decided as of January 20, wouldn’t the new House do the voting? Plus, I’ve read that each state gets a vote, not each representative. Both of these factors might change the outcome.

But as I noted above, I don’t really know. I’m open to being enlightened on the subject.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Do you really think the underlings can’t run the show for a month?
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Months before a presidential election, all offices led by a political appointee are required to identify the senior career civilian employee who will maintain the office until a new political appointee is in place. I think changing the secretary out now will have very little impact on the department.
 
ChuckB said:
I’m not so sure. Doesn’t the new Congress take office early in January? If the election hadn’t been decided as of January 20, wouldn’t the new House do the voting? Plus, I’ve read that each state gets a vote, not each representative. Both of these factors might change the outcome.

But as I noted above, I don’t really know. I’m open to being enlightened on the subject.
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If it falls to the House to choose the president, the procedure can be found in the 12th Amendment, in which is found the following text:
But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
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The 20th Amendment specifies that Congress is to begin its term on January 3rd while the President is to start on January 20th. This Amendment doesn’t quite say it but it implies that it is the incoming Congress that gets to conduct the election of the President if it falls to them.

The Republicans have a slight majority by this method and would likely win this vote.

The alert reader will note the requirement for a quorum and think, couldn’t the Democrat majority states abstain from the quorum? Well they would need 17 states to be absent to force the quorum to fail. I suggest to look at the wording which specifically says “a member or members from two-thirds of the states”. So that would imply the Democrat majority representatives of a state cannot force the Republican representatives of the same state to follow them out the door.

Only once has the 12th Amendment procedure been used to decide the Presidency. That happened in 1824 when four candidates won electoral votes, but none won a majority. By the 12th Amendment requirement to consider only the top three electoral vote getters, the fourth place finisher was tossed out before the House began voting. Andrew Jackson had the most electoral votes (and the most popular votes) but was beaten out in the House by John Quincy Adams.
 
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Great info. Thanks.

Hopefully the current election does come down to this.
 
Another question: If the winner of the election is still in question on January 20 but is subsequently resolved, does this president elected by the House of Representatives then step aside? Or does the process end when the House selects a president?
 
ChuckB said:
I’m not so sure. Doesn’t the new Congress take office early in January? If the election hadn’t been decided as of January 20, wouldn’t the new House do the voting? Plus, I’ve read that each state gets a vote, not each representative. Both of these factors might change the outcome.

But as I noted above, I don’t really know. I’m open to being enlightened on the subject.
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Corrected, New House members get sworn in January 3rd.
Biden still gets elected according to Fox News.
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