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ProVobis
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If the states find a way around the Hyde Amendment I can only see a rise in the abortion rates. Illinois has already increased its abortion rate four times by funding abortions directly.
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RuthAnne
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If I decide to vote it will be because I believe in the candidate I am voting for. I will never vote just to prevent someone else from winning. But that’s just me. And I’m still waiting for a good reason to vote.
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ProVobis
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No US bank will lend to Trump because they know him to lie. Too bad most of his supporters don’t see how much damage he’s able to inflict.
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gracepoole
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Catholic teaching requires it. That’s your good reason.qui_est_ce:
If I decide to vote it will be because I believe in the candidate I am voting for. I will never vote just to prevent someone else from winning. But that’s just me. And I’m still waiting for a good reason to vote.
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RuthAnne
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Which is why from time to time I write in a name which is basically the same as not voting.
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ProVobis
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Not the way to do it as I’ve often stated. She could have used an alias or imbedded secret code such as “adoptions.” I don’t buy your simplistic argument.
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Theo520
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Nope, everything on the email server used for official govt business would have been considered govt property. None of the emails should have been deleted.
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dvdjs
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That is different than everything.
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Victoria33
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No, but Obama mismanaged the Iraq war with that troop withdrawal and as a result, thousands of Christians died. The war started under Bush, blame him too for not taking care of Christians, Chaldeans, many who live in Michigan.
But Trump is a Saint in regards to the Iraq/Syria conflict. Obama also participated in Libya, that conflict is at full heat as well.
So, other peoples’ lives are at stake and Obama was a disaster at that. I’d rather vote for someone who is just being made the victim of witch hunts which is all this with Trump is, nothing substantive comes out. It’s just mudslinging.
I don’t even consider Trump evil in the slightest. Christianity in Syria/Iraq may never fully come back but it certainly is not because of Trump. Maybe his predecessors should undertake that moniker.
Fast and Furious? That’s a scandal under Obama, 18 teenagers massacred in Ciudad Juarez with fast and furious guns.
Obama withdrew troops from Iraq against all military advice, Trump was close to doing the same in Northern Syria as well and I was strongly disagreeing with that. Thank goodness, we stayed.
Egypt? Ask Mubarrak to step down in the Arab spring, Muslim Brotherhood came to power. This happened under Obama too. These are complicated matters. Christians are always persecuted in some places but their might have been a rise in that persecution due to some factors.
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Ridgerunner
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No argument.
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Victoria33
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I don’t even know if we have a right to see these tax returns as a matter of privacy, NYT has copies, I’m not sure how they got it.
Oh, but how terrible if one is talking about a birth certificate matter that has never been fully resolved. Now, we are on the honor system and anyone bringing it up must be doing wrong.
Let’s not be consistent ever.
And if these tax returns were legally obtained, what’s the point? To embarrass Trump? They don’t seem to show any wrongdoing just like the Russia-gate scandal.
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She did not. It was started by his political opponents in Illinois. To be fair, some people in Hillary’s campaign did pick up on it and at least flirted with it, but it was started long before then. As you point out, Trump was the largest proponent of the myth, even claiming at one point that his investigators had found proof - which of course never materialized because it was not true.
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Victoria33
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IF Trump was the largest proponent of the story, maybe it is because he was the best known person who spoke about it.
But to say the biggest proponent? Sheriff Arpiao had his investigation. World Net Daily had run with the story for years. So, I think saying such as “was the largest proponent” is false and let alone, Trump came in on that situation very late in the game.
Other than that, no reason to hash this whole story out again.
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ProVobis
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Only if you were already inclined to vote for him. If you had been completely neutral, not entirely implausible since Hillary and Donald had been good friends, then your vote would have given undue advantage to that candidate. Just sayin’
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Canvas
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I am not one to normally defend Trump, but the birther thing was going on before Trump jumped on the bandwagon. He did become it’s most public face, but it was going on during the 2008 electoral cycle.
Part of it started, ironically enough, with a real debate about the eligibility of a GOP candidate who was born to US citizen parents but not in the US (McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone).
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RuthAnne
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Not a fan of O at all, but what is wrong with him withdrawing troops from a war that was illegally started in the first place? It seems to me that per his oath of office, he was required to do so.
Bush was a war criminal.
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Victoria33
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Plenty is wrong.
Ever hear of ISIS? They rose to power exactly because Obama withdrew our troops in a pacified country . Are you Catholic? Or Christian? ISIS committed genocide practically against Christians. It that okay? Women sold into sex slavery? Whether we should have gone in or not, we have a responsibility not to even further mess up a country. Christians being beheaded? This would be different if we had never gone in but history says we did go in. So, we shouldn’t make it worse.
Also, if one is going to start throwing terms like “war criminal” around, then, I think we can call a lot of our presidents that.
Intervention in Libya? Drone strikes in Afghanistan? That happened under Obama.
Just let them slaughter Christians who have been there for 2000 years? Not my attitude.
And Leon Panetta, everyone knew there was a threat of partisanship, of bloodshed if we made such a withdrawal but Obama made the decision.
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RuthAnne
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Exactly my point.
Per the Constitution, only congress has the power to declare war. Not the president. Any president who authorized military force absent of a congressional declaration of war is guilty of war crime.
When you have a president who can decide when and where to send troops without a congressional declaration of war, you don’t have a president, you have a dictator.
Yes, I’m a Catholic. All those things you mentioned are evil, of course, but all the more reason the congress should step up and declare war.
Do Catholics believe in honoring the laws of the land?
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