TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

[Julianna]

I want to know what their pedophilia rate is. After all, if they are looking a naked children on the job, I think it is a legitimate request. Does using this new screening procedure invite pedophiles? Does in make pedophiles?

As civil servants, the TSA screeners have been through the same background check, fingerprinting check, and raising your right hand as I did when I became a civil servant.

I don’t believe for one second the TSA screeners are getting all jolly over touching rank strangers as most of you are being touched.

I think it is ridiculas that we have come to this. We have no choice now but to adopt Israel’s screening practices.

It is entirely possible that the scans are “saved” in some type of database, just like the leased copy machines used by the IRS and Social Security and your doctor’s office…all are leased…when the lease is up, a new machine comes in…but is the memory in the machine wiped???

Looks to me like driving your own vehicle is your best bet. I am willing to bet before long the trains and buses will go through the same scrutiny.

I haven’t flown since '91 and I don’t see me flying at all. There are 4 cars in my driveway…I can go whenever I want.

If this does one good thing, it might be a way to move families all to one location to minimize travel.

 

[Listen_to_This]

Ditto. I told my wife last week that I am not going to fly again until the TSA backs off of this madness. The rest of country, even real police, are not allowed to conduct unwarranted searches and need probable cause. Yet somehow we have allowed the Constitution to be suspended for airports.

For those interested in a discussion of why the new procedures do not violate the 4th amendment, check out this thread:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=513597

edit: By the way, the police can conduct warrantless searches without probable cause in some situations. There is also some discussion of this in the other thread.

 

[Julianna]

Ever sence passengers have been screened is amsurrender of your rights, and a free choice regardless if informed consent. And to answer just quit, I have a family, parochial school and a home parish to support with my wages.

Thank you for speaking up.

Ask webrams, when you and your family are expected for Thanksgiving…and yes, you will be spending the weekend.

(get another job, indeed)

 

[wabrams]

As civil servants, the TSA screeners have been through the same background check, fingerprinting check, and raising your right hand as I did when I became a civil servant.

I don’t believe for one second the TSA screeners are getting all jolly over touching rank strangers as most of you are being touched.

Go look up Robert Joe Harrison, Jr.

 

[tjm190]

Where have I heard that before?

usvetdsp.com/story53.htm

Because torture is the same as a pat down?

 

[Julianna]

Go look up Robert Joe Harrison, Jr.

Yeah, I expected a snake or two to appear in the sea of TSA screeners, however not equal to the number of illegals found working on military installations by greedy contractors…and still less than the number of pedophile priests within the gilded hallowed walls of our own Church. Bring in the “human” factor and you willl find a rotten spot.

Googling the name you gave…I knew I would find some out of control, paranoid reactionary website…and true to form, Information Liberation raised it’s paranoid, ugly scare and rumor mongering philosophy. Summed up…“we have found the enemy and it is us.” Naturally with this sort of mindset, Pres. Obama gets all the blame. How soon we forgot the infamous “Patriot Act”, where your plumber or your carpet cleaner could easily turn you into the government’s most wanted, and every key stroke on your computer is taken down with due dilligence. And every 4 yrs… it changes to something similar…and new “other side” finds fault. Paranoia reigns supreme.

So let’s rid the airlines of TSA screeners and let the chips fall where they may. I won’t be flying anytime soon, as all the people near and dear to me are a state away…however, I am not going to live my life in fear that there is some vast conspiracy around the corner that is out to get me. As much as I despised President’s Bush’s cronies (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft,et al)…I liked Pres Bush as a person and was glad to hear him say (paraphrasing) that we should not let terrorists back us into a corner of fear and we should live our lives.

My point with TSA screener you blithely dismissed as “get another job”…is in this economy (lest we forget)…jobs are few and far between. I was glad to hear from someone who “actually” in the trenches. It brings a new dimension to the discussion.

 

[wabrams]

Yeah, I expected a snake or two to appear in the sea of TSA screeners, however not equal to the number of illegals found working on military installations by greedy contractors…and still less than the number of pedophile priests within the gilded hallowed walls of our own Church. Bring in the “human” factor and you willl find a rotten spot.

Googling the name you gave…I knew I would find some out of control, paranoid reactionary website…and true to form, Information Liberation raised it’s paranoid, ugly scare and rumor mongering philosophy. Summed up…“we have found the enemy and it is us.” Naturally with this sort of mindset, Pres. Obama gets all the blame. How soon we forgot the infamous “Patriot Act”, where your plumber or your carpet cleaner could easily turn you into the government’s most wanted, and every key stroke on your computer is taken down with due dilligence. And every 4 yrs… it changes to something similar…and new “other side” finds fault. Paranoia reigns supreme.

So let’s rid the airlines of TSA screeners and let the chips fall where they may. I won’t be flying anytime soon, as all the people near and dear to me are a state away…however, I am not going to live my life in fear that there is some vast conspiracy around the corner that is out to get me. As much as I despised President’s Bush’s cronies (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft,et al)…I liked Pres Bush as a person and was glad to hear him say (paraphrasing) that we should not let terrorists back us into a corner of fear and we should live our lives.

In other words, you have absolutely nothing to add to the conversation or to refute anything?

My point with TSA screener you blithely dismissed as “get another job”…is in this economy (lest we forget)…jobs are few and far between. I was glad to hear from someone who “actually” in the trenches. It brings a new dimension to the discussion.

Actually, law enforcement jobs are easy to come by, bad economy or not.

 

[Julianna]

In other words, you have absolutely nothing to add to the conversation or to refute anything?

Actually, law enforcement jobs are easy to come by, bad economy or not.

Aparently, your comprehension skills elude you.

Law enforcement jobs…i.e. police officer…now require at least an associate degree and over 6 weeks of intense training. State Troopers, more.

If push comes to shove, I will take the scanner.

 

[vz71]

Law enforcement jobs…i.e. police officer…now require at least an associate degree and over 6 weeks of intense training. State Troopers, more.

So these TSA agents are not educated and trained?

 

[Julianna]

So these TSA agents are not educated and trained?

Not at the level that your local policeman is trained. Why do think the TSA screeners want to unionize? This pat down (mandatory) of basically “every person” that comes through was more than likely not part of the deal. Exactly what type of “training” do they get? How many are authorized to carry a weapon?..some, all? What type of psychological training do they receive, i.e. how do deal with an irate customer? Local police officers go through intense psychological training to deal with “criminals”. TSA screeners have to deal with the “general public” who villify them for doing their job as directed by management. In this economy, they just put up with it, because they have a mortgage to pay and children to feed.

Thirty years ago, what were the requirements of airport security? Security guard pretty much sums it up. Traveling by air in '91, I went right through the Charleston airport and then through Raleigh/Durham and landed at Bradley. I could count the number of security folks I saw at each airport on one hand. We never spoke face to face. My first air travel was in '72, not much change between then and '91.

Today is a different ball game. Why would it surprise anyone that most of the TSA screeners do not have the “law enforcement education” and training they should have. This had to be implemented “over night”, and we still don’t have it right.

I understand how some of you think of the TSA screeners as the bad guy. Take a walk in their shoes or better yet, offer up some “solutions” to this mess.

I do agree, that the airlines are going pay the price as most people will seek out other ways to get where they need to go.

As for businesses…a teleconference works just as well as having to fly to a meeting.

 

[wabrams]

Aparently, your comprehension skills elude you.

I have excellent comprehension skills, thank you. I merely was commenting on the fact you went into a rant w/o really addressing anything.

Law enforcement jobs…i.e. police officer…now require at least an associate degree and over 6 weeks of intense training. State Troopers, more.

So what’s your point? You get full pay the enite time you are training. Are you insenuating that those who work for the TSA are somehow unable to become police officers do to a lack of education or ability to do training?

If push comes to shove, I will take the scanner.

Be a sheeple if you want to.

 

[vz71]

I understand how some of you think of the TSA screeners as the bad guy. Take a walk in their shoes or better yet, offer up some “solutions” to this mess.

Place ourselves in a position of choosing job or morality?
I imagine it would be difficult to choose the right thing.

Nevertheless, the right thing would be to move on to a different job.

 

[wabrams]

Not at the level that your local policeman is trained. Why do think the TSA screeners want to unionize? This pat down (mandatory) of basically “every person” that comes through was more than likely not part of the deal. Exactly what type of “training” do they get? How many are authorized to carry a weapon?..some, all? What type of psychological training do they receive, i.e. how do deal with an irate customer? Local police officers go through intense psychological training to deal with “criminals”. TSA screeners have to deal with the “general public” who villify them for doing their job as directed by management. In this economy, they just put up with it, because they have a mortgage to pay and children to feed.

that’s a bit of an overstatement.

Police put up with a public that villifies them as well.

 

[Julianna]

I have excellent comprehension skills, thank you. I merely was commenting on the fact you went into a rant w/o really addressing anything.

So what’s your point? You get full pay the enite time you are training. Are you insenuating that those who work for the TSA are somehow unable to become police officers do to a lack of education or ability to do training?

Be a sheeple if you want to.

I’m not flying, no need to with family within 5 hours.

 

[pnewton]

Googling the name you gave…I knew I would find some out of control, paranoid reactionary website…and true to form, Information Liberation raised it’s paranoid, ugly scare and rumor mongering philosophy.

This news source isn’t much more reliable, but here it is.

msnbc.msn.com/id/12302041/ns/us_news-security/

I can see where the type of evasive procedures directed at children might attract pedophiles to the TSA. I hope they will be open releasing pedophile and other crime related statistics among their employees.