Tucker: Are coronavirus lockdowns working?

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Capitalism is an economic tool and process that is regulated by communities through government.

It allows and encourages free participation on a mass scale of people to create wealth and hold onto and swap that wealth with others through mutually agreeable co-operation as individuals and incorporated institutions such as companies and trusts.
 
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You know what, I apologize. I got a little irritated when you said it was anti capitalist propaganda. I’m sorry.

I have the feeling we agree on more things than not, we’re just coming at it from different angles.
 
The case fatality rate is not 5.6% however because numbers don’t include asymptomatic nor mild cases or rather unknown cases, even the W.H.O. addresses this fact as well as WorldOMeter.

How to calculate the mortality rate during an outbreak​

At present, it is tempting to estimate the case fatality rate by dividing the number of known deaths by the number of confirmed cases. The resulting number, however, does not represent the true case fatality rate and might be off by orders of magnitude […]

A precise estimate of the case fatality rate is therefore impossible at present.
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The case fatality rate is not 5.6%
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It is fair to say what the current rate is, and that, in the final analysis it may be different.
Most cases are unresolved so the death count per confirmed case will, in the short term, continue to climb. But we will also, as you mentioned, recognize that the extent of infection is larger than presently known. Finally, as the total number of deaths in these times are compared to statistical norms, we will also get a better sense of the lethal impact of the pandemic and adjust the death load accordingly. It is not clear, at the moment, which of the effects will dominate in the final tally. But it would not be surprising to see the death rate rise overall.
 
No, not higher, but definitely lower because since, we have discerned many are actually asymptomatic, so it seems Ted Lieu should know better than to use such a hyped up mortality rate to make a point or castigate others as it isn’t reflective of the real rate.

I think both sides are either attempting to sensationalize the situation or undermine it, but credit should be given to Tucker for not actually downplaying the disease, i.e., he was one the few who believed it was dangerous and sought to remedy that by televising his concerns and speaking up:

www.sciencealert.com

It's Estimated 1 in 4 Coronavirus Carriers Could Be Asymptomatic. Here's What We Know

At least one-third of the world is under some type of lockdown because of the coronavirus pandemic, as governments urge social distancing to stymie the virus' spread.
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economictimes.indiatimes.com

No symptoms in 80% of Covid cases raise concerns

The new revelation of asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic infection in India has sparked concerns.
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www.vanityfair.com

“Dishonesty...Is Always an Indicator of Weakness”: Tucker Carlson on How He Brought His Coronavirus Message to Mar-a-Lago

The Fox News host believes that an administration (and GOP, and Democrats, and media) obsessed with impeachment couldn’t help but see the coronavirus through a political lens. But COVID-19, he says, shouldn’t be political.
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No, not higher but definitely lower because
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I pointed out two factors that would make it higher and one, also in your posts, that twould make it smaller. Overall, the balance seems to favor higher.
 
The percentage of those who recovered is far greater than those who died, so no, the likelihood the rate will be greater is false. Moreover, I refer to a realistic rate of morbidity that takes into consideration the many asymptomatic and mild cases that were not FACTORED INTO THE morbidity rate Ted Lieu spouted.

The real mortality rate is not 5.6% nor will it likely be higher. The vast numbers of unknown cases will ultimately skew the mortality rate lower than the 5.6%.

Why don’t you look at the WorldoMeter stats for confirmation???
 
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The percentage of those who recovered is far greater than those who died, so no, the likelihood the rate will be greater is false
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No. The pertinent fact is that the ratio of the current tabulation of dead to current tabulation of resolved cases is much higher than the ratio of the current tabulation dead to he current tabulation total cases. As the currently tabulated active cases resolve the ratio of dead to those total cases will go up.
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he vast numbers of unknown cases will ultimately skew the mortality rate lower than the 5.6%.
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A factor of 2 to 4?
In the final analysis of pandemics there is often a huge adjustment of the number of dead, as fatalities from undiagnosed cases revealed through statistical anomalies in total death rates are rationalized: just as there are more cases than those currently identified, there are more COVID-19 related deaths than currently identified.
 
Of the known cases only 3% are in critical condition, the rest are mild (97%) and as I’ve already stipulated there are tons of people who are asymptomatic, it ranges from 25 to 50% and possibly higher. And that isn’t taking into effect all those who had mild symptoms but were not diagnosed or tested for Covid-19.

This version of SARS is less deadly but more infectious than the first, so there is nowhere near the 5.6% death rate when NOT EVEN ESTABLISHED infectious doctors have claimed or predicted such a high mortality rate based on the data they have.

And I’m suspicious of how deaths by Covid-19 are assigned, as I have read that if a person has Covid-19 and dies, it is classified as Covid-19 despite underlying health/heart issues. There is a difference between causing and contributing to death.

I do know that Covid-19 is more lethal than the flu (we’ve ascertained that much) so I do not dispute the necessity for a quarantine as some do. My point is we should not make it worse than it actually is either for whatever reasons.
 
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Of the known cases only 3% are in critical condition, the rest are mild (97%) and as I’ve already stipulated there are tons of people who are asymptomatic,
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All cases are not critical until they are.
The best estimates of the asymptomatic carriers are about 2 the number of confirmed cases in places with substantial testing.
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And I’m suspicious of how deaths by Covid-19 are assigned, a
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Yes. At this point they are almost certainly under counted. The UK, for example has been counting only hospital deaths of confirmed case. Florida is not counting the deaths of snowbirds. In the end, the CCD and WHO will undertake a serious count by standards applied in other epidemics.
 
That is true, that mild cases could become critical, but the percentages have been stable for a good long while now, i.e., it has remained at 3% for more than a month (as early as the beginning of March).

It hasn’t gone higher since I’ve been accessing WorldOMeter.
 
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That is true, that mild cases could become critical, but the percentages have been stable for a good long while now, i.e., it has remained at 3% for more than a month (as early as the beginning of March).
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We still see that a substantial fraction of the resolved cases, resolve in death. I am hopeful that in the resolution of the currently active cases has a much better recovery to death ratio, but I am not assuming it.
 
Yes, it’s the most recent study referencing a global mortality rate.
 
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Yes, it’s the most recent study referencing a global mortality rate.
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It’s odd, as we are in need of more complete data, to post a month old study.
It will be interesting to see that the mortality rate is in the final analysis. At present, there are too many unresolved cases and under counts of both COVID-19 infections and related deaths to have an accurate number. And the further back in time you go, the worse the accuracy.
 
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Well, here is another article for your perusal and again, the assistant professor in question puts the mortality rate much lower than the crude 5.6% given by Ted Lieu.

DEAN: So the coronavirus is definitely different from Ebola and Zika. Ebola is a very severe disease, and so we have pretty few of these asymptomatic or mild infections. That makes it easier to detect people who are sick and then track them to see who does. Zika is the other end of the spectrum, where most infections are pretty mild or asymptomatic. So then it becomes really hard to establish severity. Coronavirus is somewhere in the middle. Somewhere likely below 1% percent of people who are infected die, but we’re trying to nail down exactly where that number lies.
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Well, here is another article for your perusal and again, the doctor in question puts the mortality rate much lower than the crude 5.6% given by Ted Lieu.
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Rep Lieu did not give a crude value. He gave the actual ratio, at the time, of posting of the the number of COVID-19 associated death deaths to the present number of confirmed cases in the US.
That is, as he said, the (then) current death rate. Geussstimates of what the rate will be in the final anaylsis are crude.
 
It is referred to as a crude mortality rate by doctors and professors, that is, I am using their scientific terminology.
 
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