Turkey 'downs Russian warplane on Syria border' - BBC

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The area where the plane was shot down is a tiny arm of hotly disputed land jutting into Syria.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatay_Province

The Russian jet couldn’t have even been in Hatay airspace for more than a few seconds, given it’s size. If it even was, that is.

It’s absurd to say that this wasn’t carefully planned and orchestrated.
 
Agreed, the Russians knew full well where the plane was going to fly way before sending it out.
NATO is obviously closely monitoring airspace in the region, and Hatay is an ideal place for an ambush, given that it’s not recognized by Syria.

The Turkmen were lying in wait for their opportunity - how else can the speed of their attack be explained?
 
To destroy Al Aqsa Turkey must have no military power. I am disappointed with the Turks. Then, there is the bozonic Saudis destroying Yemen as I type. What a disaster.

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“When viewed in the current context, the war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon, the 2011 war on Libya, the ongoing war on Syria and Iraq, the war in Yemen, the process of regime change in Egypt, must be understood in relation to the Zionist Plan for the Middle East. The latter consists in weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of an Israeli expansionist project.”

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HRW & Amnesty condemn Saudi airstrike on Yemeni factory with UK-made missile
rt.com/news/323499-hrw-amnesty-saudi-yemen/

It’s like the Palestinians say, when we are all destroyed who will defend Saudi Arabia?
 
Agreed, the Russians knew full well where the plane was going to fly way before sending it out.
All 17 seconds, over an area of 1.5 miles, :D, most of their flight path was in Syria and the plane was shot down 2 kilometres in Syria! In theory,Turkey were the ones violating Syrian airspace by flying a missile into Syria. It’s still not even proven the jet was in Turkey for 17 seconds, that’s to be determined.

Already, an ex US General and Law Professor has stated, it was illegal - everyone and their dog knows it was an unwarranted, and a trigger-ready, pre-planned attack. Once a Russian jet flew by, even for a second, (and possibly not even in Turkish airspace at all!), near the Turk/Syrian border, then press the button.
 
A rotten deliberate act. Don’t cry invading airspace - this was meant to defiantly challenge.
 
All 17 seconds, over an area of 1.5 miles, :D, most of their flight path was in Syria and the plane was shot down 2 kilometres in Syria! In theory,Turkey were the ones violating Syrian airspace by flying a missile into Syria. It’s still not even proven the jet was in Turkey for 17 seconds, that’s to be determined.

Already, an ex US General and Law Professor has stated, it was illegal - everyone and their dog knows it was an unwarranted, and a trigger-ready, pre-planned attack. Once a Russian jet flew by, even for a second, (and possibly not even in Turkish airspace at all!), near the Turk/Syrian border, then press the button.
I doubt that a jet can actually fly that slow. 1.5 miles in 17 seconds would seem far too slow to even keep the plane airborne - it must have been falling out of the sky at that speed. Any CAF pilots, please feel free to correct me on jet engines. But even it was for seventeen seconds, is that long enough for a pilot or ground forces to, first of all, even have time to react and identify the aircraft and, second of all, to get radio clearance to shoot it down? It’s absurd. There wouldn’t be time to do all that, plus contemplate breaking an air treaty and starting WWIII, in seventeen seconds. This whole story is just another fabrication, a complete lie from beginning to end. This event was very carefully planned.
 
A rotten deliberate act. Don’t cry invading airspace - this was meant to defiantly challenge.
How exactly did Russia threaten Turkey, by this rotten, deliberate act, all of an alleged 17 seconds and 1.5 mile distance, in a loop of airspace that is quibbled over ,between Turkey and Syria, as to whose it is? They still do not know, for certain, if Russia were even in Turkish airspace, at all 1.5 miles of it.

What was Russia’s ‘defiant’, rotten deliberate challenging act? 🤷

They flew up through Syria and were turning to go back into Syria again to their airbase - what was it, especially as Turkey shot them down in Syria!
 
I doubt that a jet can actually fly that slow. 1.5 miles in 17 seconds would seem far too slow to even keep the plane airborne - it must have been falling out of the sky at that speed. Any CAF pilots are free to correct me on jet engines. But even it was for seventeen seconds, is that long enough for a pilot or ground forces to, first of all, even have time to react and identify the aircraft and, second of all, to get radio clearance to shoot it down? It’s absurd. There wouldn’t be time to do all that, plus contemplate breaking an air treaty and starting WWIII, in seventeen seconds. This whole story is just another fabrication, a complete lie from beginning to end. This event was very carefully planned.
Actually, I was going to agree with you. But an average of 400 mph/60 = 6.6 miles / minute which would be around 17 seconds to flyover a 1.5 mile length of ground. (I think).
 
Actually, I was going to agree with you. But an average of 400 mph/60 = 6.6 miles / minute which would be around 17 seconds to flyover a 1.5 mile length of ground. (I think).
I’ll take your word for it. I’m still curious, though, about how slow those engines are capable of flying without stalling or conking out.

I think even commercial passenger planes fly a lot faster than that.🤷

Is it realistic to think a military jet would deliberately risk flying so slow that it’s engines might die?
 
And the back peddling begins… but this makes no sense.

If, it had been a French or American plane then they too could have been shot down, if they did not respond, in the 17 sec window. 🤷 Would it not then have been more prudent, if Turkey did not know who owned the plane, to escort them away in the first instance - it’s not like the unidentified plane was flying into and across Turkey, it was flying down alongside the Syrian/Turkish border and flew over an outward ‘loop’ of airspace.

Digging an even bigger hole, methinks.

france24.com/en/20151126-turkey-would-have-acted-differently-it-had-known-jet-was-russian-erdogan

*Erdogan said Thursday that Turkey would have acted differently if it had known that a warplane its forces downed on the Syrian border this week was Russian.

“If we had known if it was a Russian plane maybe we would have warned it differently,” Erdogan told France 24 television, adding that Russian President Vladimir Putin had not answered his call after Tuesday’s incident that has seriously damaged ties.*
 
presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/26/439304/Russia-NATO-Turkey-Su24-Paul-Vallely

Turkey must be removed from NATO: US Army general

*Turkey’s downing of a Russian warplane over Syria has proven that the country is a liability to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and must be “ousted” from the Western military alliance, says a retired US Army General.

The shooting down of a Russian aircraft near the Syrian border was in line with Ankara’s struggle to establish itself as a “dominant” power, retired US Army Major General Paul Vallely said Thursday.

Vallely said Turkey must be removed from NATO because it poses a “big and important issue” in many ways for other members.

“I think NATO, if they have any resolve, they would oust Turkey out of NATO because they are not cooperating against ISIL, they are not cooperating at all with some of the forces inside of Syria, and they want to see [Syrian President Bashar] Assad removed or replaced by another government,” the retired General told Russia’s RT.*
 
Nearly starting to feel a bit sorry for Turkey now, looks like they may have been duped big-time.

rt.com/news/323594-turkey-risks-world-war/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome#.VldsDBbUGYg.reddit

***Turkey could bring the world to the brink of the next global conflict, Iraq’s vice President Nuri al-Maliki said in the wake of the downing of a Russian bomber by Turkish air forces.
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“Erdogan’s double standards and aggressive policies are threatening a new world war,” al-Maliki said in a statement as he criticized the policies of the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, AFP reported.

The Iraqi politician, who is a former prime minister of the country, also accused Turkey’s leader of hypocrisy as he commented on Turkey’s claims of a short violation of Turkish airspace by the Russian warplane which was downed by the country’s air forces.

“Erdogan claims that a Russian aircraft entered Turkey’s airspace for a few seconds, forgetting that its own planes violate Iraqi and Syrian airspace every day,” al-Maliki said, as quoted by AFP.

Iraq has repeatedly accused Turkey of aiding the rise of terrorist group Islamic State. However, it is not the only country that has lashed out at Turkish policies following the incident with the downed Russian military aircraft.

The incident has also provoked a wave of indignation in Greece, which claimed that Turkish warplanes violated Greek airspace almost on a regular basis with 2,244 breaches in 2014 alone.*
 
How exactly did Russia threaten Turkey, by this rotten, deliberate act, all of an alleged 17 seconds and 1.5 mile distance, in a loop of airspace that is quibbled over ,between Turkey and Syria, as to whose it is? They still do not know, for certain, if Russia were even in Turkish airspace, at all 1.5 miles of it.

What was Russia’s ‘defiant’, rotten deliberate challenging act? 🤷

They flew up through Syria and were turning to go back into Syria again to their airbase - what was it, especially as Turkey shot them down in Syria!
I think grotto may have been referring to Turkey, in which I agree.

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A rotten deliberate act. Don’t cry invading airspace - this was meant to defiantly challenge.
I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
rt.com/op-edge/323531-hell-place-pilots-russia/

John Wight has written for newspapers and websites across the world, including the Independent, Morning Star, Huffington Post, Counterpunch, London Progressive Journal, and Foreign Policy Journal. He is also a regular commentator on RT and BBC Radio. He wrote a memoir of the five years he spent in Hollywood, where he worked in the movie industry prior to becoming a full time and activist and organizer with the US antiwar movement post-9/11.

Hell has special place for murderers of downed pilots

*Only a grotesque distortion of the English language could apply the word ‘moderate’ to people that shoot pilots as they parachute helplessly to the ground. Yet these are the very people being armed and supported by Turkey and its Western allies.
A special place in hell is reserved for those who murder downed pilots as they descend to the ground after ejecting from crippled aircraft. It was a practice associated with the SS during the Second World War and is now labelled a war crime under the Geneva Convention.

As if this isn’t bad enough, the Turkmen ‘rebels’ responsible for this vile deed filmed the body of the Russian pilot they had shot and could be heard repeating religious slogans. At one point they even discuss burning the body.

These are the moderates the world is constantly being assured constitute the answer to both ISIS and Assad. In so doing they have plumbed the depths of indecency and immorality these past five years, as they work for the Islamization of Syria and its destruction as a secular state in which the rights of religious and ethnic minorities are protected and upheld.

The Turkmen, however, are the one Syrian minority that has thrown in their lot with the opposition. They are ethnic Turks and in Syria number between 100,000-200,000, primarily located close to the Syrian border with Turkey in the north of the country. Not only have they been fighting against Syrian government forces, they have also been involved in fighting against the Kurds of Syria, under the influence of their Turkish ally and sponsor.

The idea that there is such an entity as moderate rebels fighting in the Syrian conflict was exposed as a myth before this incident. It was exposed, for example, back in 2013 when an FSA commander had himself filmed cutting open the body of a dead Syrian soldier, before removing his inner organs and taking a bite out of them.

None other than retired US supreme NATO commander General Wesley Clark agrees. In a recent interview with CNN, he said: “All along there’s always been the idea that Turkey was supporting ISIS in some way,” before going on to opine: “Someone’s buying that oil that ISIS is selling, it’s going through somewhere, it looks to me like it’s probably going through Turkey.”*
My views too.

*Sigh *

“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”

I hope Putin and the Russian people will have mercy on Turkey and it’s Western Allies and I hope Turkey; It’s Western Allies and Russia will all seek peace and reconciliation and the combating of a common enemy in Syria, in which self interest is taken entirely out of the equation and all motives are pure.

I thirst for righteousness.

’Mankind will not have peace until it turns To the Fount of my Mercy.’ Diary of St. Faustina, 699

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Putin and Hollande agree on greater cooperation over Syrian air strikes

"The presidents of France and Russia have been meeting in Moscow to discuss strengthening cooperation in the fight against Islamic State militants.

Both Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande said they agreed there was a need for greater coordination to be more effective in air strikes, and to avoid a repeat of Turkey’s downing of a Russian fighter jet on Tuesday.

Putin described the shooting as an “act of betrayal” by a country Moscow considered to be its ally.

Hollande repeated his belief that Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad can not be part of Syria’s political future but Putin said such a decision could only be made by the Syrian people."

euronews.com/2015/11/26/putin-and-hollande-agree-on-greater-cooperation-over-syrian-air-strikes/

The enemies of the Syrian people (and humanity) want to impose a puppet regime but, Putin knows if free elections are held Assad will win 90% plus.

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Putin: Turkey ‘knew downed fighter jet was Russian’

bbc.com/news/world-europe-34940109

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The** Turkish officers** allegedly confessed to the Syrian authorities that they were trained by the Israeli Mossad and were instructed “to carry out bombings to undermine the country’s security.” (Ibid.) One officer purportedly admitted that the “Mossad also trains soldiers from the Free Syria Army” as well as al-Qaeda officials on Jordanian soil with a view to send them to Syria to conduct attacks.
fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/fraud/israel/news.php?q=1330190701
 
Putin and Hollande agree on greater cooperation over Syrian air strikes

"The presidents of France and Russia have been meeting in Moscow to discuss strengthening cooperation in the fight against Islamic State militants.

Both Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande said they agreed there was a need for greater coordination to be more effective in air strikes, and to avoid a repeat of Turkey’s downing of a Russian fighter jet on Tuesday.

Putin described the shooting as an “act of betrayal” by a country Moscow considered to be its ally.

Hollande repeated his belief that Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad can not be part of Syria’s political future but Putin said such a decision could only be made by the Syrian people."

euronews.com/2015/11/26/putin-and-hollande-agree-on-greater-cooperation-over-syrian-air-strikes/

The enemies of the Syrian people (and humanity) want to impose a puppet regime but, Putin knows if free elections are held Assad will win 90% plus.

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Putin: Turkey ‘knew downed fighter jet was Russian’

bbc.com/news/world-europe-34940109

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The** Turkish officers** allegedly confessed to the Syrian authorities that they were trained by the Israeli Mossad and were instructed “to carry out bombings to undermine the country’s security.” (Ibid.) One officer purportedly admitted that the “Mossad also trains soldiers from the Free Syria Army” as well as al-Qaeda officials on Jordanian soil with a view to send them to Syria to conduct attacks.
fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/fraud/israel/news.php?q=1330190701
A lot of information there, and very interesting.

*The enemies of the Syrian people (and humanity) want to impose a puppet regime but, Putin knows if free elections are held Assad will win 90% plus.
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I really hope a fair election can take place, at some point, and Assad is voted back in - if for no other reason, to see how would the MSM would get out of that one! 🙂
 
The Turkish officers allegedly confessed to the Syrian authorities that they were trained by the Israeli Mossad and were instructed “to carry out bombings to undermine the country’s security.” (Ibid.) One officer purportedly admitted that the “Mossad also trains soldiers from the Free Syria Army” as well as al-Qaeda officials on Jordanian soil with a view to send them to Syria to conduct attacks.
fourwinds10.net/siterun_d…p?q=1330190701
The Mossad, oh brother.

Is it any wonder that pictures, even in the Sputnik news, the protests at the Turkish embassy in Russia showed protesters carrying anti-Semitic posters?

Assad is definitely on his way out, his regime has murdered even far more than ISIS all human rights organizations show, the people hate him, the whole war started because people protested and the people were murdered out on the streets with snipers. Even the Russians have acknowledged there will be a transitional government and the Russians

Assad has been brought up at the UN for genocide, the Russians have blocked discussion of this on Aasad alleged to be targeting Sunnis with genocide, while making a pledge to protect Christians which he definitely does not do. That is ornery in itself.
 
Latakia, the region in Syria that Russia has been bombing, is indeed nowhere near the ISIS-held territory and overwhelmingly populated by ethnic Turks.

These Turkmen are not linked in anyway to ISIS, in fact ISIS has declared them apostates from Islam and threatened their tribe with genocide, even massacring their compatriots in Iraq last year:

cnsnews.com/news/article/lauretta-brown/un-isis-massacred-700-turkmen-including-women-children-elderly.

**UN: ISIS Massacred 700 Turkmen–Including Women, Children, Elderly
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They have fought hard against ISIS, so far as I can tell.

And yet Russia is bombing these people, and violating Turkish airspace in the process of doing so. Why?

Well they have the misfortune of also being tenaciously anti-Assad, since his Arab nationalist Ba’ath Party regime suppressed their language and culture in an attempt to “Arabicize” them (I.e. forcibly make them into virtual Arabs).

Instead of pursuing ISIS, these are one group among the so-called “terrorists” that Russia has been predominantly directing its air war against.

Plus they are largely moderate Sunni Muslims and so would shout “Allah-u-Akbar” like any Islamic tribe, which I’m sure must provide great fodder for RT to present them as “terrorists” to its hapless audience.
Looks like Al Nusra may have just seized an airbase in Syria in the last 4 weeks. I thought Russia was fighting extremists.
 
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