TV: The Walking Dead

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Thanks for those who replied.
If anyone remembers what episode it is, I would appreciate it šŸ™‚
So as to be prepared for it…
I do agree with you, as I was a bit turned off by it, Here is a question I’ve been pondering since the show started. I know it’s probably a stupid one, as I’ve had some difficulty suspending reality with some of this. Let’s say that two single devout Catholics get thrown together due to this situation. They fall in love and want to marry, but there is no priest to witness their marriage due to the fact that most people have become walkers or are just dead. What happens? Can a marriage be made?
You’re not the only who thought about it :]
I think I read somewhere that after 30 days you wanted to marry the person you love
but there is no other way you could get married
(like getting stuck in a deserted island or something)
and you will probably never will see a priest in the future,
it is still possible to get married without a priest.
 
Thanks for those who replied.
If anyone remembers what episode it is, I would appreciate it šŸ™‚
So as to be prepared for it…
It was the most recent episode from this past Sunday. As I mentioned in a previous post, I saw a teaser for next Sunday and it looks like Dale is chastising Glen for sleeping with the woman (I think it’s Cara, but don’t quote me on that.) We’ll see how that pans out, although, I do know that they are an item in the comic book. It does look like the series does go on its own route with the storyline in some parts, such as last season’s finale which my die-hard family members who have been also keeping up with the comics really found lacking. So, I don’t know if they will keep the two as an item in the show.
You’re not the only who thought about it :]
I think I read somewhere that after 30 days you wanted to marry the person you love
but there is no other way you could get married
(like getting stuck in a deserted island or something)
and you will probably never will see a priest in the future,
it is still possible to get married without a priest.
Oh, good. I’m glad I’m not the only one! šŸ˜› If that is the case, you could probably repeat the vows made just without the priest as witness?

I kept asking my husband why in the show they can’t just hole up on some compound and wait for the walkers to just rot away to nothing. They could grow everything they need there, take some livestock, etc. and just make sure it’s all secured. If people haven’t read the comics, I won’t go more into it, just in case the show does follow the comic in that regard. I’ve only read about 4 of them, but I’ve got my husband telling me more just because I ask too many questions. haha!
 
happy to see this thread has taken off some and people are discussing the show šŸ™‚

if you aren’t totally caught up on the show don’t read below:
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what do you think is going to happen when Rick and/or Shane find out about the walkers that Herschel has in the barn?

Also there is a really interesting conflict brewing between Shane and Dale after the scene were Shane basically flat out threatens him when Dale makes several accusations.

I think the appeal of the show is the different conflicts of the characters living in this post apocolyptic world. Although I do like zombies sometimes, it takes more than zombies to get me really interested in a movie or series. I do really like the constant threat/possiblity of danger that zombies provide in a uniquely scary and creepy way…I’m not sure many other dangers could cause the same level of fear and dread that they can for the characters.
 
I love to watch this show and in these days I have seen it season 2.
 
I am a huge fan of the series.
Didn’t like the sex scene in the first season, though they didn’t show anythigng that graphic, and didn’t like the grocery store scene. Though I do like her and Glen’s budding romance.

If it stays liek the comics, I’m afriad we’ll see the end of Glen though

And I swear, if that little girl is gone because she saw a cutw widdle bunny and didn’g go back to her mom and friends, I’m going go ballistic!

Also that said, Shane is a jerk. Okay there’s my two cents!
 
I also love this show, but I feel like the pacing took a bit of a hit in Season Two. I feel that there was one plot line in particular that really didn’t need to take longer than two episodes, and given how great some of the material is in the comics (so I understand) I have no idea why they’re taking so long to get there.

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In particular, I don’t see why the search for that little girl is STILL going on. Once it lead the group to the farm it shouldn’t have lasted more than one or two episodes, enough time to develop the zombies in a barn plot line.

END OF SPOILERS
 
I also love this show, but I feel like the pacing took a bit of a hit in Season Two. I feel that there was one plot line in particular that really didn’t need to take longer than two episodes, and given how great some of the material is in the comics (so I understand) I have no idea why they’re taking so long to get there.
My sister and husband who have been following the comics have said that they have gotten a bit off the comic and agree that the pacing is slower in the show than what happens in the comics. I hope it moves forward after the mid-season finale.

ZhaneAugustine - I agree that Shane is a real jerk. They have really made him into a villain. I’m wondering if they plan to keep him on because he is the only non-walker villain right now. In the comics he was long gone by now and wasn’t as much of a jerk (from what I understand.)
 
Honest question: Why would it be sinful to abort an unborn zombie? I don’t watch the show but couldn’t help but read about the uproar on the blogosphere that the show’s character chooses life - for a zombie? Killing actual unborn babies with souls is one thing, but is it a grave mortal sin to kill an unborn zombie? Since when do zombies deserve the right to life? Ed already pointed out the show’s gratuitous sex - if the show also makes light of the Culture of Death, that sounds problematic.
 
Honest question: Why would it be sinful to abort an unborn zombie? I don’t watch the show but couldn’t help but read about the uproar on the blogosphere that the show’s character chooses life - for a zombie? Killing actual unborn babies with souls is one thing, but is it a grave mortal sin to kill an unborn zombie? Since when zombies do deserve the right to life?
I think the blogosphere was wrong. The person who is pregnant is not pregnant with a zombie baby. She was conflicted with bringing a child into a zombie-apocalyptic world where she thought the child would have no chance to have a normal life and a well of happy memories. She had originally taken a bunch of morning-after pills, but then threw them up after thinking better of it.

There is another zombie movie, I think it was ā€œDawn of the Deadā€ (my husband and sister are really into zombies), where a pregnant zombie gives birth to a zombie baby. The father was not a zombie, but kept his wife hidden in the mall where the rest of the humans were hiding out. He waits for the wife to give birth, but the baby is also born a zombie. When the others find out, they try to kill the zombie wife and child, but he defends them and he is killed along with the the zombies.

I think if the unborn child is actually a zombie, it probably wouldn’t be a sin to abort the zombie because it is already dead.

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In the comic, she does give birth to a child and it is NOT a zombie.
 
Hitchcock’s ā€œLifeboatā€ showed survivors of a sinking during WWII, including a token NAZI, grappling with the question of who lives and who dies. The Lifeboat Exercise was introduced into schools to tempt children to save their lives by sacrificing others. This levying a death sentence on zombies and their babies seems like the same kind of desensitization, a hallmark of our modern secular media that saturates sensibilities with soft porn, easy death and sex without marriage or consequences.

Marriage is not a sacrament confected by priests. The priestly office came into being only after the ā€œSin of Adamā€ as males only atoned for Original Sin as the ā€œSin of Adam,ā€ not to be redundant. Marriage was instituted in Genesis 2; the ā€œSin of Adamā€ (not "The Sin of Adam & Eve) occured in Genesis 3. There was no priestly office. But marriage must be a publicly-witnessed ceremony. There is no ā€œsecret marriageā€ as that claimed by Gnostics and/or Freemasons for ā€œJesus Christ & Mary Magdalene.ā€ Marriage is confected by the couple and legal only when witnessed by at least two people. Sacramental marriage is witnessed by the community and blessed by a priest. So with Baptism, in an emergency any lay person can perform the Trinitarian Baptism, as is common with nursing orders of nuns ministering to the dying.
 
Honest question: Why would it be sinful to abort an unborn zombie? I don’t watch the show but couldn’t help but read about the uproar on the blogosphere that the show’s character chooses life - for a zombie? Killing actual unborn babies with souls is one thing, but is it a grave mortal sin to kill an unborn zombie? Since when do zombies deserve the right to life? Ed already pointed out the show’s gratuitous sex - if the show also makes light of the Culture of Death, that sounds problematic.
I don’t think it would be a crime to kill a baby zombie, or a zombaby, as its already dead. There is no life, and from what we can see on the show, no promise of ability for them to advance.

But the creator of this world has already admited there would be no zombabies on the show, At least non that were conceived by a zombie or by a human mother.

I’d kind of like to see a zombie baby in it though, just to show the tension of what one would do about it. Would you allow it to live so to speak? After all, no teeth, means no way to infect. It can’t gum you if you have no scraps or open wounds. It would make a good debate poiint.

Sarabande: He was a bit of a jerk in the comics, but not as much as he is here. I would like to see him last a little bit longer, perhaps exihled from the group instead of what happenes to him in the comic.
And he’s not the only non zombie villain. There’s also Dale’s brother. Even if it was just a nightmare, delusion, he’s still out there, and I don’t doubt ready for revenge against the group.

I’d also like to see perhaps a zombie hero, one who hasn’t totally let the injection control them to the point of hurting, going after a villain or helping the survivers in one last ditch moment.
 
I also love this show, but I feel like the pacing took a bit of a hit in Season Two. I feel that there was one plot line in particular that really didn’t need to take longer than two episodes, and given how great some of the material is in the comics (so I understand) I have no idea why they’re taking so long to get there.

In particular, I don’t see why the search for that little girl is STILL going on. Once it lead the group to the farm it shouldn’t have lasted more than one or two episodes, enough time to develop the zombies in a barn plot line.
I agree with you on both counts, the season started slow and I’m not sure why the search for the girl is taking so many episodes.

I thought that the main character finding out about Shane and his wife was really anti-climactic and just thrown in there.

I sort of think that the first season was more exciting in that it gave me nightmares every week and left me coming up with hypothetical survival scenarios for myself in such a situation.(Although not as much as Max Brooks’ World War Z) I think they are remarkably unconcerned about zombie blood and tissue. I would be treating it as a biohazard and worry about it getting into my system somehow.

This second season has a lot more interesting topics laced in there rather than being just an adrenaline rush. Examples:
-How will the group handle a crying baby that will alert zombies to their whereabouts?
-Are the farm people taking the moral highground with their zombie barn solution or are they dangerously delusional?
-How did they get the zombies into the barn anyway?
-What role will faith in God play as the series continues?
 
I just found this thread and i am a big fan of the show! Did anyone see the episode last night? What a mess!

I feel like zombies are still humans in a sense so they deserve the same respect for life as a normal person would in most circumstances. I feel like its fine to defend your self against them if they attack you or another person, but I don’t think its right to just slaughter them.

Speaking of that, last nights episode ended with Shane rallying the group while Rick was gone and basically slaughtering the zombies in Hershel’s barn right in front of him. I don’t know, I just feel like that wasn’t the right to do and was more or less murder in broad daylight. I really dont know what to make of Hershel and his family- they are Christian but definitely not Catholic. He seems to be unwilling to accept the fact that the zombies are dangerous, and I thought it was very foolish and irresponsible for him to be keeping a barn full of them. I cant tell if herschel is some kind of die hard pacifist or if he’s just clinging to his zombified family/friends in the barn as all he really has left.
 
Expect **spoilers **in this post…
I agree with you on both counts, the season started slow and I’m not sure why the search for the girl is taking so many episodes.

I thought that the main character finding out about Shane and his wife was really anti-climactic and just thrown in there.

I sort of think that the first season was more exciting in that it gave me nightmares every week and left me coming up with hypothetical survival scenarios for myself in such a situation.(Although not as much as Max Brooks’ World War Z) I think they are remarkably unconcerned about zombie blood and tissue. I would be treating it as a biohazard and worry about it getting into my system somehow.

This second season has a lot more interesting topics laced in there rather than being just an adrenaline rush. Examples:
-How will the group handle a crying baby that will alert zombies to their whereabouts?
-Are the farm people taking the moral highground with their zombie barn solution or are they dangerously delusional?
-How did they get the zombies into the barn anyway?
-What role will faith in God play as the series continues?
The third question you asked made me smile. In light of last night’s episode at least some of that has been answered, but how exactly did they get them in the bar. I fear we’ll never know now. As for the other questions… it’s all interesting but overall the last few episodes have dealt with those topics in a remarkably blah manner. I feel as if their budget did not necessarily scale up with their increased episode order, and as a result they needed to shoot a few episodes on the cheap.
I just found this thread and i am a big fan of the show! Did anyone see the episode last night? What a mess!

I feel like zombies are still humans in a sense so they deserve the same respect for life as a normal person would in most circumstances. I feel like its fine to defend your self against them if they attack you or another person, but I don’t think its right to just slaughter them.

Speaking of that, last nights episode ended with Shane rallying the group while Rick was gone and basically slaughtering the zombies in Hershel’s barn right in front of him. I don’t know, I just feel like that wasn’t the right to do and was more or less murder in broad daylight. I really dont know what to make of Hershel and his family- they are Christian but definitely not Catholic. He seems to be unwilling to accept the fact that the zombies are dangerous, and I thought it was very foolish and irresponsible for him to be keeping a barn full of them. I cant tell if herschel is some kind of die hard pacifist or if he’s just clinging to his zombified family/friends in the barn as all he really has left.
I feel like as long as its been established that there is no known cure for zombificiation then not only would it be permissible to kill a zombie but in a way it might be strongly recommended. After all, even if that particular walker isn’t a a threat at that time, keeping it alive only serves to threaten the life of other living. breathing human beings.

As for Shane… I don’t think he could have made a worse move. In one swift stroke he managed to end the group’s chance for a peaceful place to stay. The barn could easily have been fortified if the group was concerned, and the walkers inside didn’t seem particularly intent on breaking out when they weren’t riled up.

It actually astounds me how many people consider themselves Shane fans. Certainly he’s good TV, but I’d never want him as a leader. He’s rash, violent, and totally self obsessed. IMHO of course.
 
I consider Shane an interesting charactor, but I firgured he was trouble from the very first season. The group needs to do something about him. He’s a threat and they need to send him packing.

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I was just broken hearted about Sophia. I new something bad was coming when they showed the barn again. It still surprised me though.
 
I have only watched 4 episodes, but I think this show has a lot of great moral messages so far.
 
I LOVE this show. It scares me every time I watch it lol and usually end up with my face in DH’s shoulder before the end. I love the characters and the plot and luckily so far I’ve only had 1 nightmare, haha. Out of all the zombie flicks I’ve seen, I think this is the most realistic portrayal of what might actually happen. Although DH says that the government would nuke the place before it got out of control 🤷 But then DH has also said if I were to become a zombie, he would lop my head off without a second thought. I would prefer he at least try and contain me until a cure is found. :mad: :rolleyes:
 
My husband felt that Shane would have been more likely than Rick to take out Sophia. I think Shane was standing there, dealing with his selfish actions, and Rick was being strong/selfless enough to do what had to be done.

This is about as far as I got in getting the comic book, so I’m looking forward to February. DH is ā€œsick of all the dramaā€ but I think things are going quite well. Good show. šŸ‘ I pretty much hate every episodic tv show.
 
I just found this thread and i am a big fan of the show! Did anyone see the episode last night? What a mess!

I feel like zombies are still humans in a sense so they deserve the same respect for life as a normal person would in most circumstances. I feel like its fine to defend your self against them if they attack you or another person, but I don’t think its right to just slaughter them.

Speaking of that, last nights episode ended with Shane rallying the group while Rick was gone and basically slaughtering the zombies in Hershel’s barn right in front of him. I don’t know, I just feel like that wasn’t the right to do and was more or less murder in broad daylight. I really dont know what to make of Hershel and his family- they are Christian but definitely not Catholic. He seems to be unwilling to accept the fact that the zombies are dangerous, and I thought it was very foolish and irresponsible for him to be keeping a barn full of them. I cant tell if herschel is some kind of die hard pacifist or if he’s just clinging to his zombified family/friends in the barn as all he really has left.
I particularly liked your second paragraph. I think IF there were ever a zombie outbreak… the Vatican would definately issue a request/order that its followers were not to go out and strike or kill a zombie, UNLESS it threatened their survival. And I’ve long thought the pope would encourage the faithful that did have to put them down, to do so in the most humanely of ways as well.

I agree that Hersschel was being sparadic, and foolish. I think he was just trying to cling to the past, not willing to admit they they were actually dead.

And poor Sophia! Alas, if it weren’t for their need of webvideos, we might have seen her alive still. Now we have to log on and see just how she got bit!
 
I particularly liked your second paragraph. I think IF there were ever a zombie outbreak… the Vatican would definately issue a request/order that its followers were not to go out and strike or kill a zombie, UNLESS it threatened their survival. And I’ve long thought the pope would encourage the faithful that did have to put them down, to do so in the most humanely of ways as well.
That would be interesting to see how the Vatican would handle this. It seems from the first season that it was a world-wide epidemic, so I’m wondering if the Vatican would be untouched. What would happen if even the leaders of the Church were affected?
I agree that Hersschel was being sparadic, and foolish. I think he was just trying to cling to the past, not willing to admit they they were actually dead.
I really felt sorry for Herschel, but agree with you that he was being foolish. You could see how heartbroken he was and how much of his ā€œinnocenceā€ in his belief that his loved ones and friends were only sick was just ripped from him after Shane’s explosion. Shane is a loose cannon and although he was right that it was foolish and dangerous to keep the walkers in the barn, the way he handled it was completely wrong and out-of-control. From what my husband tells me, in the comic, Rick is the one who actually leads in getting rid of them, although not in the same way as Shane. I think Shane is in a downward spiral of lunacy and I have a feeling we may see the end of him by the season’s completion. I wonder if his end will be the same as in the comic.

(THOSE WHO HAVEN’T BEEN READING THE COMIC OR DON’T HAVE FRIENDS/RELATIVES READING THE COMIC FILLING THEM IN, MAY WANT TO STOP READING HERE)

That action is apparently what gets them thrown off the farm. I guess we’ll have to see if Herschel throws them off in the show. I think he will after this. Otherwise, how will they get to the prison (which is an interesting part of the story in the comic… that is where I’ve read a couple of the issues.)
And poor Sophia! Alas, if it weren’t for their need of webvideos, we might have seen her alive still. Now we have to log on and see just how she got bit!
It was very sad, but I thought that the show either was going to go one way in which the group would suddenly find her alive, or the the ā€œKirkmanā€ way, where they would discover that she was dead. I thought it was a good way of magnifying the heartbreak of Herschel and his difficulty in shooting his loved ones, once this once sweet, little girl came out of the barn. No one in the group could shoot because it was a person they knew and cared about, not even Shane could shoot. Very interesting that Rick was the one who had to put an end to it.

My sister tells me that Sophia is actually still around in the comic (she and my husband are up to the most recent comic of Kirkman’s and are just waiting for the next edition.) It’s interesting that they decided to not keep her on in the show, but there are so many characters in the actual comic, many of which who aren’t in the show, I guess they really can’t have too many on a tv show. It wouldn’t work as well as it does in a comic.
 
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