Two dead, two wounded in Nevada middle school shooting

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GaryTaylor said:
I think they should be, not the on-going obsession though, what else are we looking into? Gun safety frankly the NRA leads the way. People who leave their gun case’s open to mental heath issues with 13 year olds seems to be another area. All avoids the question though, the social political leaders effecting the behavior. Its getting worse, what is that saying?
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I agree. For example, the shooting at Sandy Hook was carried out by an insane indiviual whose mother either gave him access to guns, or didn’t lock them up properly.👍
 
marymary1975 said:
…of course kids are being slaughtered in Africa but I can’t think of any case where they had been slaughtered by their own classmate with the teacher inside the school with the gun that the kid had.
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Precisely.

I find it unnerving that the first reaction to such incidents is not the simple idea of legally ensuring that guns and ammunition are secured out of the reach of children or disturbed individuals. A Canadian guest on a talk show last night claimed that Canada has more guns than the US, but laws regarding storage of guns and ammunition are very strict. That seems to work for them, but it seems here that personal responsibility for the safeguarding of deadly weapons is inexplicably ignored in favor of less practical measurres.

Focus on mental health issues means exactly what? Can a doctor accurately predict who will snap before they ever show signs of mental illness? Does mental health care guarantee that someone will not grab a gun and go to school? The answer to both is no. Therefore commonsense measures to protect human life by regulating the storage and use of deadly weapons are required, regardless of any other factors.
 
To make things more sad, just today all.schools in Danvers, Massachusetts have closed because a 14 year old kid took a gun with him to school and shoot the math teacher in the bathroom. From what I hear the kid is on the run with a gun and the police has a major manhunt ( or kidhunt) to find him. Sincerely this is epidemic. I just pray police stops this 14 year old quick.
 
marymary1975 said:
To make things more sad, just today all.schools in Danvers, Massachusetts have closed because a 14 year old kid took a gun with him to school and shoot the math teacher in the bathroom. From what I hear the kid is on the run with a gun and the police has a major manhunt ( or kidhunt) to find him. Sincerely this is epidemic. I just pray police stops this 14 year old quick.
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This child you mention was charged with murder today, I believe.

Regardless of one’s stance on gun rights, I think we can all reasonably agree that when kids can routinely get their hands on legally-owned guns and ammunition, we are ALL failing as a society. If some individual gun owners won’t man up and voluntarily secure their weapons, then it is our collective responsibility to make them do so.

When we start hearing of adults arrested and jailed for failure to secure their guns, then we will start hearing less of these incidents. The right to bear arms does not include the right to facilitate their use by kids.
 
seekerz said:
Precisely.

I find it unnerving that the first reaction to such incidents is not the simple idea of legally ensuring that guns and ammunition are secured out of the reach of children or disturbed individuals. A Canadian guest on a talk show last night claimed that Canada has more guns than the US, but laws regarding storage of guns and ammunition are very strict. That seems to work for them, but it seems here that personal responsibility for the safeguarding of deadly weapons is inexplicably ignored in favor of less practical measurres.

Focus on mental health issues means exactly what? Can a doctor accurately predict who will snap before they ever show signs of mental illness? Does mental health care guarantee that someone will not grab a gun and go to school? The answer to both is no. Therefore commonsense measures to protect human life by** regulating the storage **and use of deadly weapons are required, regardless of any other factors.
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How do you plan to regulate the storage of firearms in people’s homes exactly?
 
SaintAugustine said:
How do you plan to regulate the storage of firearms in people’s homes exactly?
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My suggestion, for starters, would be mandatory locks and keys (which should themselves be secured beyond the reach of unauthorized users) whenever firearms are not in the immediate physical possession of the licensed user/s. I have heard that in Canada, guns and ammo have to be locked up in separate locations, and that is something that makes sense to me. By mandatory here, I mean that if you fail to do it you lose your license or go to jail (or both) in addition to becoming liable for any resulting death/deaths.
 
seekerz said:
My suggestion, for starters, would be mandatory locks and keys (which should themselves be secured beyond the reach of unauthorized users) whenever firearms are not in the immediate physical possession of the licensed user/s. I have heard that in Canada, guns and ammo have to be locked up in separate locations, and that is something that makes sense to me. By mandatory here, I mean that if you fail to do it you lose your license or go to jail (or both) in addition to becoming liable for any resulting death/deaths.
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Got it. So, not preventative, except in fear of prosecution if an unsecured gun is used by someone other than the owner.
 
I think the obvious solution to the recent school shooting crisis is to ban public schools.
 
seekerz said:
My suggestion, for starters, would be mandatory locks and keys (which should themselves be secured beyond the reach of unauthorized users) whenever firearms are not in the immediate physical possession of the licensed user/s. I have heard that in Canada, guns and ammo have to be locked up in separate locations, and that is something that makes sense to me. By mandatory here, I mean that if you fail to do it you lose your license or go to jail (or both) in addition to becoming liable for any resulting death/deaths.
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Are you saying that if someone steals my gun and kills someone that I should be liable for murder?
 
seekerz said:
My suggestion, for starters, would be mandatory locks and keys (which should themselves be secured beyond the reach of unauthorized users) whenever firearms are not in the immediate physical possession of the licensed user/s. I have heard that in Canada, guns and ammo have to be locked up in separate locations, and that is something that makes sense to me. By mandatory here, I mean that if you fail to do it you lose your license or go to jail (or both) in addition to becoming liable for any resulting death/deaths.
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I think that’s a good idea.
 
seekerz said:
This child you mention was charged with murder today, I believe.

Regardless of one’s stance on gun rights, I think we can all reasonably agree that when kids can routinely get their hands on legally-owned guns and ammunition, we are ALL failing as a society. If some individual gun owners won’t man up and voluntarily secure their weapons, then it is our collective responsibility to make them do so.

When we start hearing of adults arrested and jailed for failure to secure their guns, then we will start hearing less of these incidents. The right to bear arms does not include the right to facilitate their use by kids.
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I just saw the news and looks like it wasn’t a gun, apparently the kid stabbed the teachet and yes he was.charged with murder. A.few days ago Nevada, and now this. Sethimg very wrong is happening in society.
 
freeRadical said:
Are you saying that if someone steals my gun and kills someone that I should be liable for murder?
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No, if you leave your gun/ammunition unlocked, or fail to take measures to secure the lock combination/key, you should be held legally responsible for that failure. If you took all necessary precautions and someone was still able to steal it, that is different.
 
marymary1975 said:
I just saw the news and looks like it wasn’t a gun, apparently the kid stabbed the teachet and yes he was.charged with murder. A.few days ago Nevada, and now this. Sethimg very wrong is happening in society.
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I heard that he beat her to death, so not sure here. Obviously we cannot control every means of harming someone, but we can at least try to do what is within our ability to change.
 
seekerz said:
No, if you leave your gun/ammunition unlocked, or fail to take measures to secure the lock combination/key, you should be held legally responsible for that failure. If you took all necessary precautions and someone was still able to steal it, that is different.
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What is your definition of locked and secured? What is your definition of necessary precautions?

Let’s say I live alone and children do not have access to my house. Let’s say for some reason I leave my house without my gun (normally my gun never leaves my hip when I leave the house but sometimes I do leave it home if I’m going to be drinking). Let’s say a teenager breaks into my house and takes my gun and goes to school and shoots some of his classmates. Am I responsible for the murders of those kids? Was having my doors and windows locked secure enough for you?
 
Move along folks. Nothing to see here, just another senseless gun related murder.

Don’t worry gun lovers, the NRA will protect you from all those fanatical gun control nuts.
 
Another ingredient we need to educate ourselves on, is “satanic ritual abuse”, and “mind control”. Recently I tried to educate myself on Aurora, Colorado, and Sandy Hook, Connecticut. What I found was interesting, to say the least. E.g. in the Batman movie, we can see a map with “Sandy Hook” handwritten on it. Whoever made that movie, was dropping a hint about Sandy Hook. Batman was released in July 2012, and Sandy Hook happened a few months later.

Anyone interested, do a web search for “Aurora Satanist”, “Sandy Hook Satanist”, “Sandy Hook hoax”, etc. Apparently what we witnessed at Aurora and Sandy Hook, were pre-planned events linked to Satanist organizations.
 
Bell(name removed by moderator) said:
Move along folks. Nothing to see here, just another senseless gun related murder.

Don’t worry gun lovers, the NRA will protect you from all those fanatical gun control nuts.
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You mean the NRA will protect me from those who want to take away my constitutionally guaranteed right to own a gun? How dare they!
 
J_Peterson said:
Why not look into gun culture when looking at the morality of the nation as a whole. Guns are effective and easy to get. Why not look at guns as part of the problem (not the whole of it)?
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A gun is an inanimate object! It has no will, it cant decide who it will kill or who it will not. A person with the intent to harm has to pick up that object and follow through his intent. At that point that person has gone pass the line. The only problem with guns is that time and time again that end up in the wrong hands. We punish the good citizens while the crazies and criminals get their hands on them without much consequence! It all leads back to parenting. Parents nowadays make up every excuse in the book on why lil Johny has issues. They’re so blinded by their egos believing that they are good parents, and when they fail they blame everything else except themselves. A good whooping, with some sports or extracurricular activities, along with bringing back God to this nation will solve a huge portion of this issue.
 
OurLadyPray4US said:
Another ingredient we need to educate ourselves on, is “satanic ritual abuse”, and “mind control”. Recently I tried to educate myself on Aurora, Colorado, and Sandy Hook, Connecticut. What I found was interesting, to say the least. E.g. in the Batman movie, we can see a map with “Sandy Hook” handwritten on it. Whoever made that movie, was dropping a hint about Sandy Hook. Batman was released in July 2012, and Sandy Hook happened a few months later.

Anyone interested, do a web search for “Aurora Satanist”, “Sandy Hook Satanist”, “Sandy Hook hoax”, etc. Apparently what we witnessed at Aurora and Sandy Hook, were pre-planned events linked to Satanist organizations.
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wow :rolleyes:
 
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