Two openly gay principals hired in same town: a first!

  • Thread starter Thread starter Riley259
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
This is rather confusing to me. I frequently hear complaints here that gays flaunt their lifestyle and force others to accept it. But here, a newspaper has gone after them, on a bizarre witch hunt.

Why?? Being gay does not mean one is any worse at being a teacher, - even Cardinal O’Brien agrees with me here.
 
It’s not so much the everyday running of the school we need to worry about its the lasting impression these men will have on the students. Everytime one of these students thinks about homosexuality they will remember the one who was in the position of authority and was shown respect.

So you think that gay persons do not deserve respect as fellow human beings or the right to earn a living? Would you like to make up a list of jobs that ou think are acceptable for a homosexual to have? That is downright hateful. Yes, what a horrible thing for someone to look back and remember the time that a FELLOW sinner was treated with dignity… absolutely terrible.

Everyman: I DO think there is something wrong with homosexuality, but you better count yourself lucky that people don’t get fired from their jobs for being sinners, unless that is, you are without sin.
 
GloriaPatri4 said:
Gay people, that is sexually active homosexuals should not hold jobs where they are in a position of mentor or role model to impressionalble children or adolescents. I don’t believe they should hold these positions at colleges either.

Go ahead and do something about it then, by the way there is such a thing as private colleges as well, on which you can’t impose that sort of thing. If that were the case I’d have been deprived of one of the best art teachers I’ve ever had in college… and I’d have to then say, “Thank you, your opinions have provided me with a mediocre education.” 👍
 
40.png
GloriaPatri4:
It’s not so much the everyday running of the school we need to worry about its the lasting impression these men will have on the students. Everytime one of these students thinks about homosexuality they will remember the one who was in the position of authority and was shown respect.
40.png
RPConover:
**So you think that gay persons do not deserve respect as fellow human beings **
Respect is the wrong word. The word I should have used was esteem. Someone made the comment “It’s not like the principal is cool”. Well whether or not the principal is cool or not the principals are esteemed, they are revered, they’re honored.

Just for the record I do believe gays deserve respect but I do not believe gays (active) should be in a position where children look up to them especially if the children are aware that their principals are actively gay. They are setting a bad example**. Bad example is the principal occasion of scandal. **
**

**
From My Catholic Faith

By committing scandalous acts a person influences others to do the same. This is specially true of children, who wasily imitate their parents and elders. He who gives scandal is like a man who digs a pit into which others fall, break their necks
*.*
 
The church teaches that homosexuals be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity but the church also teaches under no circumstances can they be approved. If people with sinful lifestyles especially if they’re proud to be in that sinful lifestyle (flaunt it) and they are in positions of authority in our schools aren’t we in someway approving of their lifestyle? What is that saying to our children?
**
CCC 2357 Under no circumstances can they be approved.

CCC 2358** This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided***.* . **
**
40.png
RPConover:
or the right to earn a living
? **
Please read my earlier post. I did not say that.
40.png
RPConover:
Would you like to make up a list of jobs that ou think are acceptable for a homosexual to have?
There are certain jobs a sexually **active **homosexual should not have and school principal is one of them. Should we have polygamists, zoophiles, pederasts, people who occasionally shoot up heroin, addicted gamblers, alcoholics and wife beaters be principals of elementary, middle or high schools simply because they deserve our respect? I’m not saying that only active homosexuals shouldn’t be in these positions, I’m saying anyone (not just homosexuals). Principals and teachers should be good role models and show a good example.
 
40.png
RPConover:
That is downright hateful. Yes, what a horrible thing for someone to look back and remember the time that a FELLOW sinner was treated with dignity… absolutely terrible.
Well, you must think the Catholic Church is hateful too since they came out with the No gays in the seminary document.

CCC 2358
Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided
.
I believe this would fit in the category of just discrimination
40.png
RPConover:
Everyman: I DO think there is something wrong with homosexuality, but you better count yourself lucky that people don’t get fired from their jobs for being sinners, unless that is, you are without sin.
**If people having authority over children are advocating, flaunting they’re sins, are proud of them then I think they should be fired. I am a sinner and I am ashamed of my sins****and if I were the cause of bad example and scandal for anyone (not just children) I would hope someone would fire me so that I would not be the cause of other peoples sins and therefore adding onto my own sins. **

We live in the age where people are proud of their sins and other people sit back and tolerate it because they think “well, I’m a sinner too. Who am I to judge or tell them that they are wrong?” All in the name of Love and Tolerance.
**
40.png
GloriaPatri4:
How would you feel if ten years from now it was legal for men to marry underage boys (underage girls are allowed to get married) Should these men be allowed to hold positions in schools? Would you be saying “What, Pederasts aren’t allowed to have jobs?”
**
You never did answer the above question. Do you think a pederast should hold the postion of principal or teacher because afterall they deserve our respect too?
 
40.png
GloriaPatri4:
Well, you must think the Catholic Church is hateful too since they came out with the No gays in the seminary document.

I believe this would fit in the category of just discrimination


**If people having authority over children are advocating, flaunting they’re sins, are proud of them then I think they should be fired. I am a sinner and I am ashamed of my sins****and if I were the cause of bad example and scandal for anyone (not just children) I would hope someone would fire me so that I would not be the cause of other peoples sins and therefore adding onto my own sins. **

We live in the age where people are proud of their sins and other people sit back and tolerate it because they think “well, I’m a sinner too. Who am I to judge or tell them that they are wrong?” All in the name of Love and Tolerance.

You never did answer the above question. Do you think a pederast should hold the postion of principal or teacher because afterall they deserve our respect too?
Absolutely not, because they’re a criminal, all those sorts of people you mentioned are criminals because they engage in lewd behavior with children, animals and unwilling sorts of participants. Of course they should not have that job because they ought to be in JAIL, and that’s under current laws, not just something you dreamed up. Hmosexuals are consenting adults, and while we may find what they do to be morally wrong, it’s not illegal.
 
40.png
RPConover:
Absolutely not, because they’re a criminal, all those sorts of people you mentioned are criminals because they engage in lewd behavior with children, animals and unwilling sorts of participants. Of course they should not have that job because they ought to be in JAIL, and that’s under current laws, not just something you dreamed up.
Up until a few years ago Sodomy was illegal in most states but then that thing in Texas happened cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/26/scotus.sodomy/ . That thing was a set up from the beginning worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46984. Gambling is not illegal in many places and to my knowledge its not illegal to be an alcholic unless you’re getting intoxicated it in public.
40.png
RPConover:
Hmosexuals are consenting adults, and while we may find what they do to be morally wrong, it’s not illegal.
So as long as the government passes laws to make morally wrong things legal its okay by you? If tomorrow they made smoking pot and shooting up heroin a legal activity then it would be okay for those individuals to teach in schools? I guess by your standards the answer is yes. Abortion was once illegal and now its legal does that make it okay? No. Someday it might be legal for men to marry boys. Its already legal in most states for adult men to marry underage girls (some a young as 14). So if five years from now if a man can legally marry an underage boy (with the boy’s consent of course) then that would be okay with you?
 
In no state should it be ok to marry a 14 year old, whether it is or not, something ought to be done about that… I would not agree with that because NOBODY ought to be marrying a 14 year old, homo or heterosexual. Hmmmmm, now that I think about it I know of quite a few teachers that smoke pot, but that’s another story altogether…

NO I do not think gay people should be getting married, I do not think anyone ought to be marrying 14 year olds, but as to whether or not they ought to be allowed to become the principal of a school, yes they have the legal right to as law-abiding citizens.
If you really need to bring up things like child molestation and abortion and attatch them to something as completely different as an adult homosexual having a job your case is not that strong.
 
40.png
RPConover:
In no state should it be ok to marry a 14 year old, whether it is or not, something ought to be done about that… I would not agree with that because NOBODY ought to be marrying a 14 year old, homo or heterosexual. Hmmmmm, now that I think about it I know of quite a few teachers that smoke pot, but that’s another story altogether…

NO I do not think gay people should be getting married, I do not think anyone ought to be marrying 14 year olds, but as to whether or not they ought to be allowed to become the principal of a school, yes they have the legal right to as law-abiding citizens.
If you really need to bring up things like child molestation and abortion and attatch them to something as completely different as an **adult homosexual having a job your case is not that strong. **
You seem to be contradicting yourself. So you are saying even though you do not think it’s right for adults (heterosexual or homosexual) to marry 14 year olds even if its legal you still think they have the right to become principal of a school as long as they are law abiding citizens?

Again, I never said an adult homosexual shouldn’t have job I just think there are some jobs that they shouldn’t be in.

Today’s society is so upside down and inside out that it becomes very confusing to see right from wrong anymore, even more so when morally wrong things have been legalized. I think you are one of the many confused in this country. Forget about what is legal or illegal please go read your Bible and your Catechism.
 
GloriaPatri4 said:
You seem to be contradicting yourself. So you are saying even though you do not think it’s right for adults (heterosexual or homosexual) to marry 14 year olds even if its legal you still think they have the right to become principal of a school as long as they are law abiding citizens?

Again, I never said an adult homosexual shouldn’t have job I just think there are some jobs that they shouldn’t be in.

Today’s society is so upside down and inside out that it becomes very confusing to see right from wrong anymore, even more so when morally wrong things have been legalized. I think you are one of the many confused in this country. Forget about what is legal or illegal please go read your Bible and your Catechism.

I promise I’m not contradicting myself… any state that allows 14 year olds to get married has a problem right there concerning a hetero sexual marriage law in the first place, so I think that problem ought to be addressed seperately.

I personally think that you are confused, since you live in a country that is NOT a theocracy… I know what my Bible and Catechism say, and I hold them in the highest esteem, especially regarding how I interact with other people and God, but I also know what the laws of this country say, and that the two are seperate. I know that I may also find certain laws enacted by our government contradictory to what is in my Bible and Catechism.

I recognize the right of all people to decide what they believe is morally offensive and what they believe is not, but I also understand the necessity of not being able to LEGALLY impose ALL of those views on the rest of a society. Notice that I said “all” of those views. There are the big basic no-no’s that keep society from descending into complete anarchy and then there are the more nuanced religious no-no’s.

How would you feel to live in sayyyy, a muslim theocracy where the law was not based on the same exact set of beliefs as those yo hold, and acted so as to criminalize things like alcohol or women walking around unescorted, which YOU do not believe to be inherantly sinful, but the majority believes otherwise?

This is the problem: what happens when you are NOT among the majority? Do you still have the right to believe and act differently in matters peculiar to a certain religious belief? Then in order to protect the rights of one sect of society it is sometimes necessary to protect the rights of another sect, in order to protect the overall rights of both groups.
 
40.png
RPConover:
What on earth is wrong with that? Gay people aren’t allowed to have jobs? Their sexual orientation really has nothing to do with the everyday running of a school… I wouldn’t worry about it affecting the students either, it’s not like the school principal is “cool”. They don’t seem to be Catholic schools either from what I get from the article. I had gay teachers in college, trust me, their sexuality never came up and it made absolutely no difference. :cool:
And so what happens when the kids happen to see their school principal and his male or her female lover being intimate in public?

kgwn.tv/home/headlines/1606952.html I believe their sexuality would come up then.
 
40.png
GloriaPatri4:
And so what happens when the kids happen to see their school principal and his male or her female lover being intimate in public?

kgwn.tv/home/headlines/1606952.html I believe their sexuality would come up then.
So what do you mean by “intimate”? I’m guessing you mean kissing or being close… well I know I would have said “Ew…” and then I would have walked on and forgotten about it… same as just about anyone I know… apparently you wouldn’t be able to get over it? That’s too bad if you’re really that sensitive.
 
40.png
RPConover:
So what do you mean by “intimate”? I’m guessing you mean kissing or being close… well I know I would have said “Ew…” and then I would have walked on and forgotten about it… same as just about anyone I know… apparently you wouldn’t be able to get over it? That’s too bad if you’re really that sensitive.
The point isn’t whether or not adults can handle seeing immoral behavior. I can handle it (gays being intimate) and yes I’ve seen it, remember I live in California. I know it’s wrong and it sounds like you know it’s wrong too. The problem is the more kids are exposed to these things the more they will become immune to it and think it is normal and just an alternative lifestyle even more so when its their teachers or principal doing it. No matter how much parents and the church teach children active homosexuality is sinful if they see it and hear about it all the time all that teaching isn’t going to matter to most of those kids. Kids learn by example.

I think I’m about done arguing with you over this. You don’t seem to get. You know that homosexuality is wrong but yet you think it’s okay that kids are exposed to the evilness of it.


 
I know I was exposed to it even as a young teenager and it didn’t affect my moral belief that it’s wrong and it certainly never struck me as just another equally good lifestyle. I respect their full rights as citizens of this country although I disagree with their lifestyle, and I respect your opinion although I disagree with it. I’d be glad to civilly end this argument.
 
The point isn’t whether or not adults can handle seeing immoral behavior. I can handle it (gays being intimate) and yes I’ve seen it, remember I live in California. I know it’s wrong and it sounds like you know it’s wrong too. The problem is the more kids are exposed to these things the more they will become immune to it and think it is normal and just an alternative lifestyle even more so when its their teachers or principal doing it. No matter how much parents and the church teach children active homosexuality is sinful if they see it and hear about it all the time all that teaching isn’t going to matter to most of those kids. Kids learn by example.
Yes, kids being the silly fools they are - children do not learn better by being wrapped up in cotton wool, and having everything someone else considers “immoral” being censored out of their life. The duty is not upon the public services - but rather the parent. to ensure that their child is mature enough to handle such instances, some children can handle it - proving that it can be done. If other children cannot handle it - then it is not because of society, or the exposure, but rather how well the parent has done their job.

Note - said in respect and not meant to offend. 🙂
 
i do not believe there is a problem with a gay principal. however, i DO believe there is a problem with a gay principal who, within a short amount of time is already broadcasting to the media his orientation, his ‘pride’ in his sexuality and getting ‘married’. i see a huge difference RPConover between your high school principal and these two. as you admitted yourself, your teachers never made it an issue - these two already have! although hopefully faithful parents will be able to educate their children why this is wrong and these children will stick with the teachings, there will be many who will not.

i also believe that it is completely wrong for any person, gay or straight, to bring a partner to work. work is not hte place for that. i pray this does not happen for the children’s sake
 
40.png
luvthelight:
i do not believe there is a problem with a gay principal. however, i DO believe there is a problem with a gay principal who, within a short amount of time is already broadcasting to the media his orientation, his ‘pride’ in his sexuality and getting ‘married’. i see a huge difference RPConover between your high school principal and these two. as you admitted yourself, your teachers never made it an issue - these two already have! although hopefully faithful parents will be able to educate their children why this is wrong and these children will stick with the teachings, there will be many who will not.

i also believe that it is completely wrong for any person, gay or straight, to bring a partner to work. work is not hte place for that. i pray this does not happen for the children’s sake
First of all, our significant others are not our partners, but either a husband or wife (opposite sex only) in the sacrament of marriage. Partners are for business arrangements and at times to help pay the bar bill on drunken binges.
Second, there is nothing wrong with your husband or wife showing up at work, whether work be at a school or downtown building. This is a healthy normal relationship that portrays itself as such and can only be a good model of behavior for children/students.
Third, any public portrayal of homosexuality, even if not blatant, is not at all socially appropriate, especially to children, who are more easily influenced by adult behavior, moreso teacher behavior and considerably so by how a principal portrays himself/herself at least 200 days a year to the school’s students.

Children learn not only from what is formally and informally taught to them in and out of school but substantially by what is modelled in everyday behavior by adults around them. The young people today who see themselves as accepting and tolerant of “alternative” lifestyles (same sex marriage, abortion on demand, group sex, S & M) are simply parroting and modeling what they were exposed to as children by negligent, naive and misguided, if not outrightly destructive, parents and teachers. As a result, most young today are more comfortable carrying a condom around than wearing a cross.

Homosexual behavior in unhealthy, immoral, and personally and socially destructive. Anyone choosing this behavior (lifestyle) has no place in a school setting where they can influence children to follow their example, period!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top