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Scott_Lafrance said:
I thought he was the first black President. 🤷
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That was (of course) Maya Angelou’s rather metaphorical assesment of Bubba’s popularity and sympathy for much of Black America. Rather overrated and unwarranted, if you ask me, considering some of the comments he made during Hillary’s campaign that basically helped Barack sweep her off the race. Also the fact that more blacks were executed during his term than (AFAIK) any presidential term since.

Surprised you didn’t get the “metaphorical” implications of that statement, Scott.
Don’t be so “literal.” 😃
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
That was (of course) Maya Angelou’s rather metaphorical assesment of Bubba’s popularity and sympathy for much of Black America. Rather overrated and unwarranted, if you ask me, considering some of the comments he made during Hillary’s campaign that basically helped Barack sweep her off the race. Also the fact that more blacks were executed during his term than (AFAIK) any presidential term since.

Surprised you didn’t get the “metaphorical” implications of that statement, Scott.
Don’t be so “literal.” 😃
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Could you explain your statement that "more blackes were executed during his term (AFAIK) than any presidential term since.
What is AFAIK?
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
“As far as I know.”👍
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lol I thought it was some sort of organization.
Are you saying clinton was responsible for blacks being executed during his term no matter what state that execution took place. I’m not understanding your thoughts.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Compared to Obama, he very well could be close. If I recall, since Obama has been elected he’s made a couple of comments that suprised the heck out of me.
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Clinton was more of a centrist than people give him credit for. Most liberals think Obama is too. I know it’s hard for you to believe, but it is true in progressive circles.
 
Pirate_Talker said:
Clinton was more of a centrist than people give him credit for. Most liberals think Obama is too. I know it’s hard for you to believe, but it is true in progressive circles.
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I’m just guessing of course 😃 but most conservatives here would probably call me a liberal politically. And yes, Pirate Talker, I can confirm for my friend bbarrick that I think both Clinton and President Obama are moderates. Well President Obama can probably sound liberal at times to many here but he has definitely governed much more from the center. I’ve been reminded by his governing during his first term about how he said in his 2004 speech to the Democratic Party convention that there is no red or blue America but a United States of America. And how during the 2008 campaign he would often speak of bipartisanship. Not making a strong push for a strong public option and extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealhiest Americans last the Dec are among those things that pretty much confirmed for me that he is a moderate. Indeed much of the Democratic Party is moderate
 
Pirate_Talker said:
lol I thought it was some sort of organization.
Are you saying clinton was responsible for blacks being executed during his term no matter what state that execution took place. I’m not understanding your thoughts.
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Many African-Americans activists/intellectuals complain (with good stats to back them up) that African-American men have tended to be WAY more likely to be sentenced to die in the US for murder than fellow white criminals convicted of the same crime of murder for some decades now. Particularly if it is a case of a black guy murdering a white guy than the other way around. Even when it is just a white guy murdering a white guy, they a re less (according to these people) LESS likely to be sentenced to death than black defendants. Example: some years ago, the white guys who murdered James Byrd, Jr. in Texas by dragging him to death were the first white guys to be sentenced to die for killing a black guy in decades.

You would think that, since he was the first “Black President,” Clinton could have “fixed” that inequality, now would he? Instead, this supposedly increased during Clinton’s administration. That was what some people have been saying and what I was alluding to.👍
 
CMatt25 said:
I’m just guessing of course 😃 but most conservatives here would probably call me a liberal politically. And yes, Pirate Talker, I can confirm for my friend bbarrick that I think both Clinton and President Obama are moderates. Well President Obama can probably sound liberal at times to many here but he has definitely governed much more from the center. I’ve been reminded by his governing during his first term about how he said in his 2004 speech to the Democratic Party convention that there is no red or blue America but a United States of America. And how during the 2008 campaign he would often speak of bipartisanship. Not making a strong push for a strong public option and extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealhiest Americans last the Dec are among those things that pretty much confirmed for me that he is a moderate. Indeed much of the Democratic Party is moderate
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The problem is the only way you’d see the true Obama is if he were the dictator. Governing and dictating are two entirely different things. He can’t govern as a communist, which I’m sure he is much closer to being than a centrist. He has said way more things that are out of this world than he has that would make him seem like a middle of the road kind of guy.
 
CMatt25 said:
I’m just guessing of course 😃 but most conservatives here would probably call me a liberal politically. And yes, Pirate Talker, I can confirm for my friend bbarrick that I think both Clinton and President Obama are moderates. Well President Obama can probably sound liberal at times to many here but he has definitely governed much more from the center. I’ve been reminded by his governing during his first term about how he said in his 2004 speech to the Democratic Party convention that there is no red or blue America but a United States of America. And how during the 2008 campaign he would often speak of bipartisanship. Not making a strong push for a strong public option and extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealhiest Americans last the Dec are among those things that pretty much confirmed for me that he is a moderate. Indeed much of the Democratic Party is moderate
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Unfortunately you’ve been pushing this canard for a while and its simply not true. Obama as a senator was one of the most liberal/left senators if not the most. Then when he became president he was forced to compromise somewhat in order to make progress in pushing his liberal reforms - such as passing his “Obama-care” reform with less socialized medicine than the left wanted - but it was probably necessary to pass a somewhat watered down version rather than try to pass a more radical health care reform and risk it being defeated. And that is what I don’t think you understand, Cmatt. Its not “moderate” to pass a left/liberal agenda incrementally and in smaller steps due to political realities. That doesn’t, however, change the nature of Obama’s own left/liberal ideology. As a senator, he had the luxury of not needing to compromise and you saw how he voted - as the most left/liberal member of congress. Small steps, Cmatt, that is how your precious leftist/socialist agenda is going to be passed, and over the course of years and decades, rather than a couple of years. The American people are basically conservative and freedom loving - that’s why the leftist agenda can’t be pushed as quickly as you’d like. I do believe that Obama and the left did overplay their hand though, and their policies have already been demonstrated to have had an adverse effect on our country. That is why I think we’ll possibly have complete GOP control over congress or even congress and the presidency.

But, as you know, it works both ways - the right can’t try to reverse in a one year what the left has taken decades to build. Hard to unscramble an egg, isn’t it? The American people may be conservative, but they aren’t for radical change and the right could just as easily overplay their hand if they win in the next election.

Ishii
 
bbarrick8383 said:
The problem is the only way you’d see the true Obama is if he were the dictator. Governing and dictating are two entirely different things. He can’t govern as a communist, which I’m sure he is much closer to being than a centrist. He has said way more things that are out of this world than he has that would make him seem like a middle of the road kind of guy.
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If we are to judge people by what they say, then we must believe George W> Bush is a Texas girl and there will be peace in Neville Chamberlain’s time.

Obama being a communist is an out-of-this-world claim.

Of course, it’s all relative anyway. On poster once called Mitt Romney a socialist. I suppose, by that definition, yeah, Obama may as well be a Marxist-Leninist. And Francisco Fanco may as well be a centrist. :rolleyes:
 
ishii said:
But, as you know, it works both ways - the right can’t try to reverse in a one year what the left has taken decades to build. Hard to unscramble an egg, isn’t it? The American people may be conservative, but they aren’t for radical change and the right could just as easily overplay their hand if they win in the next election.

Ishii
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The left as had a whopping 3 years to build what it is you say they’ve built, not decades. And as for the conservatism of the American people, conservatives would do well to recall how they lost in 08. Health care is a good example, I think; discontent as they may be with Obama’s health care bill in particular, a line was crossed that I don’t think can be crossed back again. People won’t tolerate the Tea Partier trying to pull them back to tho pre-Obama status quo that contributed so much to the GOP’s losses. That ship has sailed. And that’s one reason why I think Romney will ultimately win the nomination.
 
Raskolnikov said:
The left as had a whopping 3 years to build what it is you say they’ve built, not decades. And as for the conservatism of the American people, conservatives would do well to recall how they lost in 08. Health care is a good example, I think; discontent as they may be with Obama’s health care bill in particular, a line was crossed that I don’t think can be crossed back again. People won’t tolerate the Tea Partier trying to pull them back to tho pre-Obama status quo that contributed so much to the GOP’s losses. That ship has sailed. And that’s one reason why I think Romney will ultimately win the nomination.
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It is also well to be reminded that when Democrats went too far to the left they lost dramatically in 2010.
 
seekerz said:
The topic of this thread, namely the accusations, became about race when Limbaugh and Coulter made their comments. What is so hard about agreeing that they were wrong to make this about race? Does anybody, ever dare disagree publicly with the right’s kingmaker anymore?

No, instead came the distractions and comparisons with the ubiquitous “left” (I wonder, did they write the commentators’ scripts?) and who plays which cards more than who…Even Rice got into the act by insisting on a generalized condemnation of “playing the race card”. This wasn’t even an us versus them debate between right and left; for all we know a Republican candidate’s campaign could have leaked the story to the media, so why oh why, did this ever become about how the “left” behaves?

Smoke screens and mirrors…but where’s the main act?
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Limbaugh and Coulter decide what a CAF thread is about.

The fact is, for all your talk, you chose to make this about race by bringing up a blogger who talked about race.🤷

See my comment about mud and partisanship.
 
iamrefreshed said:
Limbaugh and Coulter decide what a CAF thread is about.

The fact is, for all your talk, you chose to make this about race by bringing up a blogger who talked about race.🤷

See my comment about mud and partisanship.
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I chose to make this about race…uh, ok. I guess I infiltrated someone’s teleprompter…

See my comment about the abject fear of openly criticizing the right’s kingmaker.🙂
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Many African-Americans activists/intellectuals complain (with good stats to back them up) that African-American men have tended to be WAY more likely to be sentenced to die in the US for murder than fellow white criminals convicted of the same crime of murder for some decades now. Particularly if it is a case of a black guy murdering a white guy than the other way around. Even when it is just a white guy murdering a white guy, they a re less (according to these people) LESS likely to be sentenced to death than black defendants. Example: some years ago, the white guys who murdered James Byrd, Jr. in Texas by dragging him to death were the first white guys to be sentenced to die for killing a black guy in decades.
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Actually the stats do not back that up. The highest rate for use of the death penalty is for white on black crime. The lowest rate is for black on black crime.

Also a white person convicted of murder is twice as likely to face the death penalty as a black person and dies 17 months earlier than a black person.

prodeathpenalty.com/racism.htm

The more you know…
 
Raskolnikov said:
The left as had a whopping 3 years to build what it is you say they’ve built, not decades. And as for the conservatism of the American people, conservatives would do well to recall how they lost in 08. Health care is a good example, I think; discontent as they may be with Obama’s health care bill in particular, a line was crossed that I don’t think can be crossed back again. People won’t tolerate the Tea Partier trying to pull them back to tho pre-Obama status quo that contributed so much to the GOP’s losses. That ship has sailed. And that’s one reason why I think Romney will ultimately win the nomination.
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How many years was congress controlled by democrats between 1950 and 2010?
 
ishii said:
Unfortunately you’ve been pushing this canard for a while and its simply not true. Obama as a senator was one of the most liberal/left senators if not the most. Then when he became president he was forced to compromise somewhat in order to make progress in pushing his liberal reforms - such as passing his “Obama-care” reform with less socialized medicine than the left wanted - but it was probably necessary to pass a somewhat watered down version rather than try to pass a more radical health care reform and risk it being defeated. And that is what I don’t think you understand, Cmatt. Its not “moderate” to pass a left/liberal agenda incrementally and in smaller steps due to political realities. That doesn’t, however, change the nature of Obama’s own left/liberal ideology. As a senator, he had the luxury of not needing to compromise and you saw how he voted - as the most left/liberal member of congress. Small steps, Cmatt, that is how your precious leftist/socialist agenda is going to be passed, and over the course of years and decades, rather than a couple of years. The American people are basically conservative and freedom loving - that’s why the leftist agenda can’t be pushed as quickly as you’d like. I do believe that Obama and the left did overplay their hand though, and their policies have already been demonstrated to have had an adverse effect on our country. That is why I think we’ll possibly have complete GOP control over congress or even congress and the presidency.

But, as you know, it works both ways - the right can’t try to reverse in a one year what the left has taken decades to build. Hard to unscramble an egg, isn’t it? The American people may be conservative, but they aren’t for radical change and the right could just as easily overplay their hand if they win in the next election.

Ishii
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Well said! :clapping:
 
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