Two women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior

[gilliam]

from Politico, Iowa radio host Steve Deace says Cain said inappropriate things to two of his staffers too:
“Like awkward/inappropriate things he’s said to two females on my staff, that the fact the guy’s wife is never around…that’s almost always a warning flag to me,” Deace wrote. “But I chose to leave that stuff out [of the opinion piece] and make it about his record and not the personal stuff.”

Pressed about what exactly Cain said to the employees of his show, Deace responded by describing how he himself treats his staff.
“Many a man has been done in by the inability to control his urges,” Deace wrote. “I am no different and just as vulnerable as any other man, which is why I put safeguards around me and hold myself accountable to my wife and other men in my life. Especially since I have very talented employees that happen to be women. I go out of my way to treat them like my sisters. For example, I wouldn’t tell them or any other woman I am not married to nor related to how pretty she is.”

hat tip

 

[Raskolnikov]

Coulter: Politico’s Smear Of Cain Shows Liberal Media “Terrified Of Strong, Conservative, Black Men”

realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/30/coulter_on_politicos_smear_of_cain_liberals_terrified_of_strong_conservative_black_men.html

Well that settles that. If Ann Coulter thinks it, it’s almost certainly false.

According to wikipedia (citing an interview of Cain bt Fox News’s Greta van Susteren), he claimed that the accusations were investigated and found baseless. I presume that he means the National Restaurant Association investigated them? Is any proof of such an investigation public at the moment? Perhaps google will tell me, if wikipedia cannot.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Well that settles that. If Ann Coulter thinks it, it’s almost certainly false.

According to wikipedia (citing an interview of Cain bt Fox News’s Greta van Susteren), he claimed that the accusations were investigated and found baseless. I presume that he means the National Restaurant Association investigated them? Is any proof of such an investigation public at the moment? Perhaps google will tell me, if wikipedia cannot.

Do you think they would have reached a settlement of a years salary, which they have confirmed, without an investigation?

 

[SamH]

It’s confirmed, if you want 15 minutes of fame say you were sexually harrassed by Herman Cain. The MSM will make a big enough story out of it to knock Kim Kardashian and the Eric Holder out of the spin cycle.

 

[gilliam]

Newt to the rescue!“Here’s a situation where we’ve got a guy who’s the front runner for the Republican nomination, has a serious proposal on tax policy: 999, whether you like or dislike it, it is a serious big idea,” Gingrich told Atlanta’s WBS TV, according to ABC News. “He’s out there trying to help a country that’s in desperate trouble, and he has gotten more coverage over the last few days over gossip.”
hat tip

 

[gilliam]

Do you think they would have reached a settlement of a years salary, which they have confirmed, without an investigation?

Probably The settlement was for $36K. It would have cost a lot more than that to have a full investigation, litigation, etc.

 

[SamH]

Probably The settlement was for $36K. It would have cost a lot more than that to have a full investigation, litigation, etc.

Why would she have settled for a mere $36,000 if she had a case?

 

[Raskolnikov]

Do you think they would have reached a settlement of a years salary, which they have confirmed, without an investigation?

One wonders why they would settle if the investigation found no evidence of wrongdoing.

One may speculate that they didn’t even want an untrue accusation to reach the public to avoid bad publicity, but I see no reason to assume.

 

[SamH]

One wonders why they would settle if the investigation found no evidence of wrongdoing.

One may speculate that they didn’t even want an untrue accusation to reach the public to avoid bad publicity, but I see no reason to assume.

This whole thread is based upon assumption.

 

[seekerz]

Because initially I agreed with you that too often people play the race card on both sides and it was wrong. Then you went on to point out Ann Coulter. I didn’t want to go down that rabbit hole. I don’t think either one of us would have any trouble pointing out numerous such tactics by either side.

The thread was about accusations, not race.

The topic of this thread, namely the accusations, became about race when Limbaugh and Coulter made their comments. What is so hard about agreeing that they were wrong to make this about race? Does anybody, ever dare disagree publicly with the right’s kingmaker anymore?

No, instead came the distractions and comparisons with the ubiquitous “left” (I wonder, did they write the commentators’ scripts?) and who plays which cards more than who…Even Rice got into the act by insisting on a generalized condemnation of “playing the race card”. This wasn’t even an us versus them debate between right and left; for all we know a Republican candidate’s campaign could have leaked the story to the media, so why oh why, did this ever become about how the “left” behaves?

Smoke screens and mirrors…but where’s the main act?

 

[SamH]

The topic of this thread, namely the accusations, became about race when Limbaugh and Coulter made their comments. What is so hard about agreeing that they were wrong to make this about race? Does anybody, ever dare disagree publicly with the right’s kingmaker anymore?

No, instead came the distractions and comparisons with the ubiquitous “left” (I wonder, did they write the commentators’ scripts?) and who plays which cards more than who…Even Rice got into the act by insisting on a generalized condemnation of “playing the race card”. This wasn’t even an us versus them debate between right and left; for all we know a Republican candidate’s campaign could have leaked the story to the media, so why oh why, did this ever become about how the “left” behaves?

Smoke screens and mirrors…but where’s the main act?

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So you can’t prove your own motives are not racially based?

 

[Raskolnikov]

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So you can’t prove your own motives are not racially based?

Why would you assume they are? According to Limbaugh and Coulter, it is racist to accuse a (conservative) black man of sexual assault.

What exactly is *your *evidence that anybody’s motives were race-related?

 

[seekerz]

The mainstream media also resisted publishing information on Clinton’s sexual harassment of Paula Jones.

Poor Cain…he is so not Bill Clinton, it doesn’t even begin to be funny. Honestly, I hate seeing anyone’s private life dragged through the mud and resisted this thread initially for that very reason. But my, some part of this entire analysis just strikes me as discordant.

 

[Pirate_Talker]

Newt to the rescue!“Here’s a situation where we’ve got a guy who’s the front runner for the Republican nomination, has a serious proposal on tax policy: 999, whether you like or dislike it, it is a serious big idea,” Gingrich told Atlanta’s WBS TV, according to ABC News. “He’s out there trying to help a country that’s in desperate trouble, and he has gotten more coverage over the last few days over gossip.”
hat tip

Newt might be able to give him some helpful advice. This is an area he knows something about.

 

[seekerz]

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So you can’t prove your own motives are not racially based?

Since when did I promise to prove anything? Are you guys scared to point the finger at those who initially (loudly, brashly and publicly, I might add) applied the race issue to Cain’s predicament? I mean, seriously now…

 

[Robert_Sock]

He is the front runner and a conservative; that is why its news. I am skeptical of three women who all took a settlement, right? I am curious of the real authenticity of their claims. If somebody had really done something why wouldn’t you go to court, three women you are talking about.

The more accusations of sexual harassment that surface the greater the doubt about the integrity of Herman Cain; one claim, and there may be doubt, but three!

 

[Pirate_Talker]

The topic of this thread, namely the accusations, became about race when Limbaugh and Coulter made their comments. What is so hard about agreeing that they were wrong to make this about race? Does anybody, ever dare disagree publicly with the right’s kingmaker anymore?

No, instead came the distractions and comparisons with the ubiquitous “left” (I wonder, did they write the commentators’ scripts?) and who plays which cards more than who…Even Rice got into the act by insisting on a generalized condemnation of “playing the race card”. This wasn’t even an us versus them debate between right and left; for all we know a Republican candidate’s campaign could have leaked the story to the media, so why oh why, did this ever become about how the “left” behaves?

Smoke screens and mirrors…but where’s the main act?

YOu are right. This doesn’t make sense to accuse the nefarious “left” of leaking this story. The story originated at the Politico for goodness sake. That is NOT a left leaning publication. the elite of the Repugs don’t want Hermain Cain. This has Karl Rove written all over it.
Ann Coulter got in the act because she is an opportunist. Does anyone listen to her anymore? She’s the shock jock of the talk show circuit.
Anyway, it won’t matter how this shakes out. The next shoe that dropped is Cain’s campaign fund. He may have committed a felony.

 

[seekerz]

The more accusations of sexual harassment that surface the greater the doubt about the integrity of Herman Cain; one claim, and there may be doubt, but three!

It’s either about what actually transpired between him and these women or it is about his skin’s melanin content. Take a guess which…

 

[_Abyssinia]

The more accusations of sexual harassment that surface the greater the doubt about the integrity of Herman Cain; one claim, and there may be doubt, but three!

I understand what you are saying but I don’t see it that way, I see three women who were willing to take money instead of bringing criminal charges against Cain. Do you really do that that if the person if guilty, on three occasions? If they brought criminal charges against Cain, couldn’t they of received a bigger pay out if he was found guilty?

 

[mlund]

Herman Cain is a former employee of the National Restaurant Association and seems to be legally bound by a non-disclosure agreement to the company. The sources of complaints against him remain anonymous and no allegation against him has been given in detail.

Even people who aren’t bound by NDAs (like the Iowa radio host) adamantly refuse to disclose any details about what was said that was supposedly “awkward” or “inappropriate” so that people can actually judge facts on their merits.

It looks like keeping everything nebulous makes for a bigger scandal than actually getting to the details.

I don’t expect the National Restaurant Association to release Mr. Cain or any of their other former employees from their agreements. It doesn’t make for good company policy and why would the Romney-donor who currently runs the place do Herman Cain a favor?

So we’ll watch the media continue to spin this, keeping the facts off the table and instead pitting the worst our collective imaginations can come up with against Mr. Cain. It sure beats journalism, anyway.

• Marty Lund