Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately

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Ridgerunner said:
When Hillary Clinton insists I must “change my religion”, when Afghanistan’s army is falling apart, when the abandonment of Iraq gave rise to ISIS, when Russia is telling the U.S. to stay away in Syria, when Hillary turned Libya and Egypt over to terrorist organizations and diverted arms to Islamists in Syria, we’re worried about whether Donald Trump has, at times, been a boor?

When Clinton’s people want to destroy the Catholic Church from within, when they call Americans “deplorables”, “irredeemable”, “needy Latinos”, “taco bowl” voters, “Medieval” church, “rednecks”, we’re supposed to support that because Trump made crude remarks about loose women who follow stars around?

When the economy is in a shambles, the poor are getting poorer, the middle class is declining and manufacturing is leaving the country, we’re supposed to believe every accuser against Trump who remained silent for 30 years, and vote for the worst candidate who has ever run for office?

And when Hillary Clinton sells her country’s interests for money, we’re supposed to invite her to do even more of it?

No. If Trump is “deeply flawed”, Hillary Clinton is so far beyond that description that it’s ridiculous to even compare them. Not one voter should vote for her. Not one.
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Well said! 👍
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
You addressed a similar argument to me. I didn’t think I needed to attack Hillary, because her actual background speaks for itself. Especially her support of abortion.

I’m critical of Trump because I am a Pro-life republican. But before that I’m a Catholic. And as a Catholic the only thing that I can see is that perhaps he might appoint pro-life judges. And I’ve searched to find some pro-life background that would convince me. Nothing has convinced me. He doesn’t have any. None. He didn’t mention even mention abortion at the convention. Contrast that message with George W . Bush who used the phrase"culture of life".

I can’t imagine a worse republican candidate for president. I can’t imagine a worse example for my sons. Before we mention Bill being terrible as well, I can’t imagine anyone telling me to overlook those things about Bill. That is what the message is, overlook everything about this guy because he will save the babies. Apparently he really does need to shoot someone on fifth avenue.
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That’s fair, though besides you, who clearly have strong pro-life and faithful Catholic views, there still seems to be an inordinate amount of time by others spent attacking Trump; seriously, just compare the topics on Clinton scandals to the topics on Trump scandals. It isn’t even close.

I don’t believe saying Clinton speaks for herself is true, simply because she has so many defenders on a site like this, much less in secular America. Hoe can anyone say her lack of morals speaks for itself, when she is likely to garner 45%-50% of the vote? If it did, she wouldn’t be in this discussion. Clearly, her wretchedness does not speak for itself, and since I believe she epitomizes evil in political circles, I don’t feel like trusting that others will recognize that evil for what it is will work - it never has in all of history. Satan didn’t achieve his goals time after time by broadcasting his vileness. I think he did his best work when people either ignored the evil, or assumed everyone recognized it for what it was. And while she clearly isn’t Satan, from where I sit, she seeks to do his work. Her history, beginning with her love of self-avowed Lucifer lover, Saul Alinsky, shows this, at least to me.

I liken this election to being trapped in a prison camp. If someone extends a hand to me and is my only remote chance of escape, I do not have the luxury of questioning their sincerity or where they stand with their personal virtues - I simply have to escape and pray for the best, but that is me.

As a parent, I recognize the difficulty in defending our decisions to our children, but we have to do that every day, as life is filled with imperfect choices. My son is only two, and hopefully, this election will be an ugly footnote in history when he studies our history, and hopefully, we still exist as a Christian country and have leaders who better represent Christian virtue. I think the likelihood of my son ever seeing that is extremely low if Clinton is our next president, and the system and media succeed in steering the election the way they see fit. Candidates who make us compromise the principles we espouse make educating young children difficult, though at the same time, it can also be educational for them to realize that no one is perfect, even our best leaders are flawed humans, that not all flaws are of equal gravity, that not all principles are cardinal principles, and that the enemy of good is perfect. We haven’t had a perfect candidate ever, nor will we, though admittedly, this election saddens me greatly and tests the limits of my faith in America and her citizens as a whole.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
You addressed a similar argument to me. I didn’t think I needed to attack Hillary, because her actual background speaks for itself. Especially her support of abortion.

I’m critical of Trump because I am a Pro-life republican. But before that I’m a Catholic. And as a Catholic the only thing that I can see is that perhaps he might appoint pro-life judges. And I’ve searched to find some pro-life background that would convince me. Nothing has convinced me. He doesn’t have any. None. He didn’t mention even mention abortion at the convention. Contrast that message with George W . Bush who used the phrase"culture of life".

I can’t imagine a worse republican candidate for president. I can’t imagine a worse example for my sons. Before we mention Bill being terrible as well, I can’t imagine anyone telling me to overlook those things about Bill. That is what the message is, overlook everything about this guy because he will save the babies. Apparently he really does need to shoot someone on fifth avenue.
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But he did release a list of potential Judge nominees, he did choose Mike Pence as his running mate, he has stated that he supports the unborn and he is a father and grandfather …

He genuinely seems to be moving in a positive direction - even Christian perspective - as one would think people do as they mature … Now many can say he is a slow learner -

But for example Hillary has changed her positions many times and never in a more moral, Christian or positive direction - from my perspective … she is ever more radically pro-Abortion and vocally so, she has changed her position on homosexual marriage - moving towards it not away … Hillary is not only anti-Catholic - her running mate pick a side - she is rabidly so - even if she never expresses it out loud - its there in her actions. Why are the Democratic Catholics - pro-Abort Dems before and above their Christian faith :confused:

Hillary is a racist and bigot - a closet racist and bigot = but one non the less … but one who throws out that attack upon others in a manner that can be nothing but extreme hypocrisy … she basically said at the debate that the words Trump spoke on that tape made him ineligible to occupy the Oval Office … lest I remind you that her husband had numerous sexual encounters with women in that Oval Office and used cigars as sex toys in the Oval Office. Bill had sex in the Oval Office with Monica on Easter Morning and then went to Church with Hillary and Chelsea for the photo op later that same morning … and she thinks he was a wonderful president … :confused:

So - did I want Trump … nope … but being from Oregon - we never really get much say in who the nominee is nor even the general election … But given the two ‘viable’ candidates and the SCOTUS being in play - having 7 grandchildren and a real concern for how the next 30-40 years will be shaped by the Courts - this election is more important than what uncouth actions Trump did or did not do years ago. Its more important than whether he will really deliver 100% pro-Life because Hillary intends to deliver 100% pro-Abortion

No one should be kissed against her will - but even if kissed at least they are not dead as is Mary Jo Kopechne … and how many times did the Dems [and Catholic voters] re-elect Kennedy again … the Lion of the Senate?
 
YADA said:
But he did release a list of potential Judge nominees, he did choose Mike Pence as his running mate, he has stated that he supports the unborn and he is a father and grandfather …

He genuinely seems to be moving in a positive direction - even Christian perspective - as one would think people do as they mature … Now many can say he is a slow learner -

But for example Hillary has changed her positions many times and never in a more moral, Christian or positive direction - from my perspective … she is ever more radically pro-Abortion and vocally so, she has changed her position on homosexual marriage - moving towards it not away … Hillary is not only anti-Catholic - her running mate pick a side - she is rabidly so - even if she never expresses it out loud - its there in her actions. Why are the Democratic Catholics - pro-Abort Dems before and above their Christian faith :confused:

Hillary is a racist and bigot - a closet racist and bigot = but one non the less … but one who throws out that attack upon others in a manner that can be nothing but extreme hypocrisy … she basically said at the debate that the words Trump spoke on that tape made him ineligible to occupy the Oval Office … lest I remind you that her husband had numerous sexual encounters with women in that Oval Office and used cigars as sex toys in the Oval Office. Bill had sex in the Oval Office with Monica on Easter Morning and then went to Church with Hillary and Chelsea for the photo op later that same morning … and she thinks he was a wonderful president … :confused:

So - did I want Trump … nope … but being from Oregon - we never really get much say in who the nominee is nor even the general election … But given the two ‘viable’ candidates and the SCOTUS being in play - having 7 grandchildren and a real concern for how the next 30-40 years will be shaped by the Courts - this election is more important than what uncouth actions Trump did or did not do years ago.

No one should be kissed against her will - but even if kissed at least they are not dead as Mary Jo Kopechne … and how many times did the Dems [and Catholic voters] re-elect Kennedy again … the Lion of the Senate?
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No one should be kissed and groped against their will. Which is what Trump said. If a coach said that on tape, I would not let my kids be on his team. In fact he would not be able to be a coach. If a teacher said that on tape, I would advocate that the teacher not be around children. If a doctor or nurse said that, I would advocate that they get sanctioned.

But he’s a republican, he gets a pass because he made a list. Good job! Is there going to be a Republican Party presence after this in congress to confirm any of these judges?
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
No one should be kissed and groped against their will. Which is what Trump said. If a coach said that on tape, I would not let my kids be on his team. In fact he would not be able to be a coach. If a teacher said that on tape, I would advocate that the teacher not be around children. If a doctor or nurse said that, I would advocate that they get sanctioned.

But he’s a republican, he gets a pass because he made a list. Good job! Is there going to be a Republican Party presence after this in congress to confirm any of these judges?
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Yes, if you and the republicans get on board and stop this foolishness! The dems have circled their wagons.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
No one should be kissed and groped against their will. Which is what Trump said. If a coach said that on tape, I would not let my kids be on his team. In fact he would not be able to be a coach. If a teacher said that on tape, I would advocate that the teacher not be around children. If a doctor or nurse said that, I would advocate that they get sanctioned.

But he’s a republican, he gets a pass because he made a list. Good job! Is there going to be a Republican Party presence after this in congress to confirm any of these judges?
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So - what about the things Hillary has said and done? Does she get a pass too? How about her working with people to subvert the Church and its teachings - does that get a pass?

IS every thing you ever said out loud - even in private - to be held against you - forever?

We are not speaking of whether Trump is a Republican or a Martian …

Trump is running for president today… Trump has given us his list of judicial nominees and chosen a pro-Life running mate and affirmed a pro-Life stance

Hillary is running for president today. She is radically pro-Abortion and un-apologetically so as is her running mate. She has promised to stack the Courts and wants to re-visit and overturn the Partial Birth Abortion Ban … does she get a pass just because she is a Democrat?

My ex was a teacher - you would be surprised at what teachers and coaches think and do and get away with … sadly … The press and anti-Catholics had a hay day with the Church’s Abuse scandal but our public schools are much more dangerous in that regard - and they are liberal bastions and tend to get a pass.

As for what the make up of the Congress will be - the voters will decide but it makes a difference … We hear all the time that the Republicans do nothing on life … BUT

It was Republicans in Congress who risked their political lives to pass the Partial Birth Abortion Ban [one can ask how any sane caring person could oppose this :confused:] NOT ONCE BUT THREE TIMES … three times

Passed by Republicans 1995 - VETOED by President Billy Clinton
Passed by Republicans 1997 - VETOED by President Billy Clinton
Passed by Republicans 2003 - SIGNED into Law by President George Bush
Upheld by SCOTUS 2007 Gonzales v. Carhart

Hillary Clinton wants to overturn/override [Gonzales v. Carhart] this decision as she - Hilary considers it a bad decision …

Republican v Democrat … not the real issue for me though the Party Platforms speak volumes and that is a fact - it is the policies they collectively pledge to support and promote … one is evil - you can read them for yourself and decide :rolleyes:
 
Exiled_Child said:
Sorry, but I 100% reject that line of thinking.

By your logic, these would be “decent, honorable” lawyers, too, just doing their job:

cbsnews.com/news/26-year-secret-kept-innocent-man-in-prison/

I expect nothing but silence, by the way.:rolleyes:
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No silence. These lawyers got caught between a rock and a hard place. Tough situation. It’s not always easy to know what the right thing to do is.

Yes, from the story, it sounds like they were honorable lawyers.

By the way, you accused Hillary Clinton of destroying evidence in the Arkansas tape case. Do you want to expand on that, and tell us why you believe that?
 
Post #250 is right on the money. Those saying Trump is not Pro-Life my only question is, what is Hillary? Remember choice is a nice word for death.
 
Inisfallen said:
No silence. These lawyers got caught between a rock and a hard place. Tough situation. It’s not always easy to know what the right thing to do is.

Yes, from the story, it sounds like they were honorable lawyers.

By the way, you accused Hillary Clinton of destroying evidence in the Arkansas tape case. Do you want to expand on that, and tell us why you believe that?
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Kathy’s representative said it on the Sean Hannity show. She seemed very knowledgeable about the case. Apparently a section of the evidence was cut out and other evidence was “lost”
 
Inisfallen said:
No silence. These lawyers got caught between a rock and a hard place. Tough situation. It’s not always easy to know what the right thing to do is.

Yes, from the story, it sounds like they were honorable lawyers.

By the way, you accused Hillary Clinton of destroying evidence in the Arkansas tape case. Do you want to expand on that, and tell us why you believe that?
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Not the original poster on this issue but I heard the victims attorney say that in an interview - The attorney did not elaborate as the interviewer did not go down that road …

They believe that the underwear had a piece cut out by the Crime Lab for testing - the Defense wanted the evidence to conduct their independent tests … the Defense said there was no evidence left because it had all been cut away and discarded by the lab. It seems to be this attorneys position that the evidence was tampered with - that the lab did not cut out from and destroy all of the evidence on the garment - but that the remaining evidence was cut out by the defense - then they claimed that there was nothing to test …

Why they believe this or what they believe points to this was not discussed …

It does seem weird that a crime lab would not preserve some of the evidence or cut away 100% as it doesnt take a great deal - but who knows … obviously there is controversy around the entire case …

Its hard to argue justice was served
 
What are the real issues here?

Not voting for a role model.

What I want is a real future for my children and grandchildren.

Four men in Benghazi begged for help 600 times … Hillary Clinton ignored them.

I would rather be offended by Donald Trump …

… rather than be** left for dead** by Hillary Clinton.

Those are real options … that is what you can expect by Hillary’s real accomplishments.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
That isn’t true. In my state it’s a vote that doesn’t go to Hillary. She’s going to win my state. My state has only voted for the republican candidate in 1984. Reagan-Mondale.
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Now here is a very interesting take on the third-party dilemma. I live in a state that is generally a swing state, so have never thought about this point!

You can afford to vote 3rd party because so many will vote for Hillary. What would happen in this scenario?

In a two-way race, Hillary would get 51% and Trump 49%. However, 5% vote 3rd party, so Trump gets 48% and Hillary gets only 47%. Would Trump’s electors be selected?

If so, maybe we should *encourage *blue-state voters who can’t vote for Trump to vote 3rd party instead of asking them to, in effect, violate their consciences by voting for Trump.
 
stevegravy said:
Hey, what I learned with William Jefferson Clinton’s escapades in the oral office is everyone lies about sex. It is not a big deal. So, say democrats and all good feminist like the gals from NOW.
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Do you get your sexual ethics from Bill Clinton? That’s not the best place to look for good behavior. So you would be okay with Trump lying under oath since Clinton did that too.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
You addressed a similar argument to me. I didn’t think I needed to attack Hillary, because her actual background speaks for itself. Especially her support of abortion.

I’m critical of Trump because I am a Pro-life republican. But before that I’m a Catholic. And as a Catholic the only thing that I can see is that perhaps he might appoint pro-life judges.

That is what the message is, overlook everything about this guy because he will save the babies. Apparently he really does need to shoot someone on fifth avenue.
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Not to pile on, but here is Hillary speaking about her support of Planned Parenthood and abortion. No surprise in this but she’s just so vehement about it! youtube.com/watch?v=XXLgEejZyBU

Here’s Trump speaking about his views on being pro-life:
youtube.com/watch?v=xugqLfJLs3Y

This is worth listening to because it’s not just a sound bite but an explanation as to why he’s now pro-life.
Trump is far from perfect and may have done some things in his past that weren’t good, but he’s never been a politician which is a plus in my book. The more I learn about politicians in our country the less I like or trust them. Hillary has sold favors to foreign governments, including to Russia and has been involved in many shady and downright criminal activities. And think about all those emails she deleted as Secretary of State! I shudder to think what she will hide from the public if she becomes the next president!
 
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