Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately

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J_Peterson said:
This is what is frustrating about this. Trump said that he does x, y, and z. Women come forward and say that yes, Trump does in fact do x, y, and z. Normally this would be considered confirmation. Instead we hear that the women are lying. So we are left with either Trump is lying or he is a sexual abuser. The simplest explanation is that Trump was telling the truth and the women are telling the truth.
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I for one don’t doubt that Trump has made advances. He was and maybe is a letch. How aggressive or unwanted they are is a different matter. I don’t think leaning in to kiss a woman is sexual assault. It might be in the minds of verbal consent college students. But it is isn’t. Romantic relationships start by someone, most often the man, initiating contact. The language I’m not worried about since Bill Clinton, according to his buddy Vernon Jordan, when golfing what they talked about what Trump likes to grab. The claims of groping are a different issue and, though the timing is suspicious, worth investigation.

But at the end of the day even if Trump is a groper he is better then Clinton. Trump doesn’t really position himself as an advocate for disadvantaged women. Sure, he may make some such statements for political purposes. But that isn’t his bread and butter. For Hillary it is. And she has supported and defended a man who has done far worse. She could have gone into private life but she insists on having political power.
J_Peterson said:
I’ve never seen that before. Apparently it’s been circulating since 2008 when someone used it to try and get more votes to Hillary. He doesn’t seem to be paying much attention to anyone other then the person on the phone. Not sure there’s any smoke there let alone a fire. You’ll need to find a tape of Obama admitting to sexual assault like they did with Trump in order to convince people he is secretly a lech. From all outward appearances he looks like the quintessential family man: one wife for life and two kids.
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Really? Who puts their foot up on an airplane seat? That by itself is bad manners. He said ‘no flash’ so it seems to me he knew exactly what was going on when he posed for the shot.
 
Thorolfr said:
Here’s something interesting from Albert Mohler who is the president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky and has been described as “one of America’s most influential evangelicals”:

nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/what-s-behind-evangelical-support-donald-trump-less-you-think-n666146

I completely agree with Mohler when he says, “Donald Trump is not just disqualified from being a Sunday school teacher. Honest evangelicals would not want him as a next-door neighbor.”
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I wouldn’t want any of the main presidential candidates teaching Sunday School or as my neighbor. That has certainly been true for many election cycles. At the end of the day either Trump or Clinton will win. You can make a statement with your vote by voting for a third party, but it is a statement everyone will ignore. Not voting is an option that does make sense to me. For many people elections are almost always a matter of voting for the lesser of two evils. This election is no different.
 
Michael68 said:
No, not really. 3rd party puts Hillary in. Thanx
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How is this NOT an argument that one MUST vote for Trump or else? One would think in a democracy people would have several choices. There are countries which only one person appears on a ballot and it’s mandated that you vote for that person. Is this what you want in the U.S.?
 
exnihilo said:
I wouldn’t want any of the main presidential candidates teaching Sunday School or as my neighbor. That has certainly been true for many election cycles. At the end of the day either Trump or Clinton will win. You can make a statement with your vote by voting for a third party, but it is a statement everyone will ignore. Not voting is an option that does make sense to me. For many people elections are almost always a matter of voting for the lesser of two evils. This election is no different.
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I still find it interesting (and encouraging), however, that there are some prominent Evangelicals like Mohler who are also self-described “Never Trump” people.
 
ProVobis said:
How is this NOT an argument that one MUST vote for Trump or else? One would think in a democracy people would have several choices. There are countries which only one person appears on a ballot and it’s mandated that you vote for that person. Is this what you want in the U.S.?
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Unfortunately, its what we have. I don’t like it either. I said before I wanted the brain surgeon as a candidate. Voting for him now is useless
 
Thorolfr said:
I still find it interesting (and encouraging), however, that there are some people who consider themselves Evangelicals and also are self-described “Never Trump” people.
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Just curious - what qualities do you find encouraging about the “Never Hilary” people? How do you fill in the blank?

I still find it interesting (and encouraging), however, that there are some people who consider themselves _____________ and also are self-described “Never Hilary” people.
 
exnihilo said:
The tape was not now just discovered. The other alleged bad language and actions that were known about him when he was a TV celebrity also were not now just discovered. The irony of all this is it shows the media is complicit in creating false narratives. It is complicit in whatever they say Donald Trump said or did. The media is unreliable as demonstrated from their attempts to smear Trump. The real question is not what Trump did or said but who else are they covering up for? Bill and Hillary is one obvious case.
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The media is doing exactly what it was mandated to do OR paid to do. They are giving both candidates equal time to talk. They are always free to comment. I don’t hear Trump (or Clinton, for that matter) complaining that they aren’t given coverage. How can they say the press isn’t fair to them? OTOH, third parties are the ones who should complain. Who even knows they exist?
 
Maximilan_Kolbe said:
Or a Marlboro ad.
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He did smoke cigarettes at the time.

I’m failing to see how this grainy video of what appears to be a photo shoot that may or may not include the presidents erection has anything to do with accusations of sexual assault against Trump.
 
mary_bobo said:
I agree that no one should be kissed or groped against their will. But do we know for a fact that he has done this, or, was he saying something with bravado to enhance his prowess with other males? And if you think Republicans get a pass on anything, perhaps you might consider enlarging your sources.

And as for the judges, I certainly hope there are enough Republicans to confirm the justices Trump has said he would nominate. I care to much about innocent life and some of the amendments that will be under attack if Hillary gets to make these choices.
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So, on one hand, he says he doesn’t act on what he says he does, and, on the other, we are supposed to believe what he’s going to do once he’s President? Seems like consistency is not one of his virtues.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I would say the one is also a lie in which Trump supposedly was told by a security guard not to enter a dressing room because the women inside were naked. If the door was closed, how would the security guard know that? Those women wouldn’t have gone in there, taken off their clothes and just stood around indefinitely.
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A security guard isn’t needed to tell you what a dressing room and a door to it are for.
 
ProVobis said:
So, on one hand, he says he doesn’t act on what he says he does, and, on the other, we are supposed to believe what he’s going to do once he’s President? Seems like consistency is not one of his virtues.
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Bernie Sanders has stated that Trump is a pathological liar. There’s no reason to believe anything that Trump says. In this case, he either lied about what he does to women, or he’s lying now. He has proven over and over that he is completely unfit for office. It’s interesting to compare Trump’s speech yesterday versus Michelle Obama’s speech. Trump’s speech was filled with conspiracy theories, while the First Lady spoke of human decency. Trump will be soundly defeated at the polls, and rightfully so.
 
ProVobis said:
The media is doing exactly what it was mandated to do OR paid to do. They are giving both candidates equal time to talk. They are always free to comment. I don’t hear Trump (or Clinton, for that matter) complaining that they aren’t given coverage. How can they say the press isn’t fair to them? OTOH, third parties are the ones who should complain. Who even knows they exist?
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Its the extreme orchestrated attempt by the mainstream media to go negative on Trump 24/7. That is not fair and balanced
 
Inisfallen said:
No silence. These lawyers got caught between a rock and a hard place. Tough situation. It’s not always easy to know what the right thing to do is.

Yes, from the story, it sounds like they were honorable lawyers.

By the way, you accused Hillary Clinton of destroying evidence in the Arkansas tape case. Do you want to expand on that, and tell us why you believe that?
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Wouldn’t most people just choose to get disbarred rather than cruelly torture some innocent person? Or am I just being naive? It’s a hypothetical question, but I would guess that nineteen out of twenty people would simply say, “Disbar me. I’m not going to attack and torture a 100% innocent twelve year old child who’s been raped so brutally that she’s been in a coma for five days, who’s infertile for the rest of her life because of it, who’s physically and emotionally mangled and mutilated, and who is not only going to have to vividly relive the trauma of the rape itself everyday for the rest of her life, but is also going to have to relive the trauma I inflict on her in this courtroom everyday for the rest of life. I refuse, disbar me.” And by the same token, any normal, decent person would simply quit their lame job if not doing so meant that some completely innocent, random person would be sent to a penitentiary for twenty-six years. I think it would be a very rare individual who would be capable of such monstrous behavior, and by her actions, Hillary has proved herself to be just such a person.

I don’t see any of the charges levelled at Trump as being nearly so foul.
 
Exiled_Child said:
Wouldn’t most people just choose to get disbarred rather than cruelly torture some innocent person? Or am I just being naive? It’s a hypothetical question, but I would guess that nineteen out of twenty people would simply say, “Disbar me. I’m not going to attack and torture a 100% innocent twelve year old child who’s been raped so brutally that she’s been in a coma for five days, who’s infertile for the rest of her life because of it, who’s physically and emotionally mangled and mutilated, and who is not only going to have to vividly relive the trauma of the rape itself everyday for the rest of her life, but is also going to have to relive the trauma I inflict on her in this courtroom everyday for the rest of life. I refuse, disbar me.” And by the same token, any normal, decent person would simply quit their lame job if not doing so meant that some completely innocent person would be sent to a penitentiary for twenty-six years. I think it would be a very rare person who would be capable of such monstrous behavior, and by her actions, Hillary has proved herself to be just such a person.

I don’t see any of the charges levelled at Trump as being nearly so foul.
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Hey, we’re talking about lawyers here.
 
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