Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately

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sallybutler said:
I realise that. I just think if we should ignore anything that comes out about Trump this month, he should ignore anything that comes out about Clinton this month.

Silly, silly me.
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I’m SO happy you are being fair! :hug1:

Many of the posters voting for Trump aren’t so fair.

:):)🙂
 
Convert_in_99 said:
I’m SO happy you are being fair! :hug1:

Many of the posters voting for Trump aren’t so fair.

:):)🙂
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So, it is the ACCUSATION that matters.

Not the evidence.

Not the fact that the Braniff airliner incident was physically impossible.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
I am explaining why Hillary Clinton is the worst of the worst.

Consider what will happen if Hillary wins:

Restrictions on religion. Freedom of Worship instead of freedom of religion. Mandatory Islam lessons in schools [as now in places] [Example: Why should the Little Sisters of the Poor be forced to purchase contraception?] [Example: Why should someone who posted dissection of aborted babies be prosecuted? Remember David Daleiden.] …

… read p37 0f the DNC platform.

Consider what will happen if Hillary wins:

Restrictions on religion. Freedom of Worship instead of freedom of religion. Mandatory Islam lessons in schools [as now in places] [Example: Why should the Little Sisters of the Poor be forced to purchase contraception?] [Example: Why should someone who posted dissection of aborted babies be prosecuted? Remember David Daleiden.] …

… read p37 0f the DNC platform.

Unlimited abortion.
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demconvention.com/wp-con…6-no-lines.pdf

Unlimited abortion.
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If abortion is the only issue for you, that is good and fine. Just say that and leave all the other issues out of it.
 
sallybutler said:
I am going to assume that you did not feel violated when similar things happened to you.
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sallybutler said:
The first time I was groped, I was in 6th grade. I have no proof.

You are saying you would not have believed me. Why?
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I can believe you. But if you say this in a law suit, you are going to need proof. If you say this to the man or boy’s family, you are going to need proof. Part of life.
 
So difficult being a Catholic during election season. What issues are the most important for America? I do not want to endorse a candidate on a few issues that would be narrow minded. USA is founded on separation of church and state. Christ said give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. How involved are Catholics supposed to be in politics?
 
sallybutler said:
The first time I was groped, I was in 6th grade. I have no proof.

You are saying you would not have believed me. Why?
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If this happened to my daughter, she would have told me about it and I would have taken up her cause, even if she didn’t straight away tell the teacher. If you decided to wait till 30 years later to talk about it, dnot blame people for not taking you seriously.
 
queenofheartscv said:
If this happened to my daughter, she would have told me about it and I would have taken up her cause, even if she didn’t straight away tell the teacher. If you decided to wait till 30 years later to talk about it, dnot blame people for not taking you seriously.
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We know that many victims of sexual assault don’t report it immediately for many reasons, including the notion that they won’t be believed, that their abusers will ruin their reputations, that they’ll be seen as sexually promiscuous, etc. When we say that we won’t believe abuse victims **because **they wait to report, we validate all of these reasons. You believe your daughter would tell you if she were abused. But the reality is that she might not – for those reasons listed here and many others.

This is worth reading, I think:
These tweets show why women don’t report sexual assault
 
Monte_RCMS said:
So, it is the ACCUSATION that matters.

Not the evidence.

Not the fact that the Braniff airliner incident was physically impossible.
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No it’s fairness I’m after. Hillary AND Trump are BOTH terrible candidates for President. They BOTH have numerous deeds in their past and present that are shameful and despicable. If you want to name Trump as the winner of the least of the bad candidates that’s your choice. But don’t expect me to take that hit on my conscience, I’m voting for NEITHER!!!
 
queenofheartscv said:
If this happened to my daughter, she would have told me about it and I would have taken up her cause, even if she didn’t straight away tell the teacher. If you decided to wait till 30 years later to talk about it, dnot blame people for not taking you seriously.
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What’s the cutoff for taking someone seriously?
 
gracepoole said:
We know that many victims of sexual assault don’t report it immediately for many reasons, including the notion that they won’t be believed, that their abusers will ruin their reputations, that they’ll be seen as sexually promiscuous, etc. When we say that we won’t believe abuse victims **because **they wait to report, we validate all of these reasons. You believe your daughter would tell you if she were abused. But the reality is that she might not – for those reasons listed here and many others.

This is worth reading, I think:
These tweets show why women don’t report sexual assault
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Yep! 🙂
 
Thorolfr said:
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t really see the humor in Howard Stern calling Ivanka Trump a “piece of a**” and Mr. Trump agreeing with him even though it was about his own daughter. 🤷
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I don’t either - but Howard Stern has a great following and no one expects to go on the Stern show radio show and not experience base sexual humor … I thought that was why Stern moved to Sirius radio … I don’t have Sirius now … but it was on a vehicle once - free for a year … FYI - we listened to themed radio [Country music and classic rock].

Ditto for the Imus Show - but I have heard his show in the last few years … but back in the 1990s I had not heard of either of these two men … but there was great angst about Imus at the 1886 Correspondence Dinner and the riff he did on Clinton … but this was exactly what his show was … exactly … and yet people were surprised by it … After all of the hullabalu - we made a point to go listen to his show …

c-span.org/video/?c4173563/3-21-96-don-imus-clip

By the way … I find the hypocritical hyperbole Michelle put out over what Trump said amazing when she can invite Rapper Stars to the White House who extol rape, murder and drugs … Cop killing, women are Hos even raping your Sistah are common themes … :rolleyes:
 
gracepoole said:
We know that many victims of sexual assault don’t report it immediately for many reasons, including the notion that they won’t be believed, that their abusers will ruin their reputations, that they’ll be seen as sexually promiscuous, etc. When we say that we won’t believe abuse victims **because **they wait to report, we validate all of these reasons. You believe your daughter would tell you if she were abused. But the reality is that she might not – for those reasons listed here and many others.

This is worth reading, I think:
These tweets show why women don’t report sexual assault
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This post has links to news accounts of the debunking of those accusing Trump.

The incident Leeds reported never happened, according to someone sitting across from them on the flight.

The room Trump took the reporter to wad walled with glass and nothing untoward was noticed, the butler reports.

The concert at which another accuser thought she was bumped by a camera bag until she “saw Trump turning away” did not occur.

I didn’t have time to read the rest and must run now…
 
Thorolfr said:
It looks like there’s another one today:

Cathy Heller joins eight other women in coming forward with allegations of sexual misconduct against Republican, with story similar to his taped remarks

theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/15/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-cathy-heller

At this rate, we’ll probably have a new allegation of groping against Mr. Trump every day until election day.
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Probably, but that doesn’t mean Trump is guilty of most or any of these allegations. And I say this not as a Trump supporter (or a Hillary supporter).
 
Thorolfr said:
I haven’t heard of any real bombshells in the leaked emails so far. 🤷
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Really … that Hillary’s campaign manager and best friend has created an organization CACG to subvert the Catholic Church … sits on the board of directors along with 3 other Clinton operatives is not a something you find troubling?

That multiple media outlets are tied to the Clinton campaign - providing debate questions to Clinton, having an operative be a moderator …

Collusion with multiple agencies on a coordinated message.

Receiving inside strategy information about the other candidate’s campaign - from the DNC …

The racist bigoted real thought about classes of people “needy latinos” and all the things about Catholics … While all the time she castigates those who disagree with her as racists and bigots …
 
queenofheartscv said:
I can believe you. But if you say this in a law suit, you are going to need proof. If you say this to the man or boy’s family, you are going to need proof. Part of life.
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Actually all you would need is to convince a jury, if it goes that far.
 
St_Francis said:
This post has links to news accounts of the debunking of those accusing Trump.

The incident Leeds reported never happened, according to someone sitting across from them on the flight.

The room Trump took the reporter to wad walled with glass and nothing untoward was noticed, the butler reports.

The concert at which another accuser thought she was bumped by a camera bag until she “saw Trump turning away” did not occur.

I didn’t have time to read the rest and must run now…
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And of course, at least one of them was so unattractive that Trump obviously wouldn’t have assaulted her.
 
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