U.S. Bishops Call for Prayers, Pledge to Work for Comprehensive Immigration Bill

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Bishops all over the country, including the California Conference and the USCCB are supporting the “immigration” issue at the expense of pro-life (anti abortion), pro-family issues.
cacatholic.org/LD2007/ (CCC Lobby Day in APRIL)
(note the 4 priority bills - and the obviously lacking pro-homosexual bills that have been in the assembly and state senate since December and February - and were BOTH voted on AND PASSED in May (AB 14 and SB 777)(cacatholic.org/2007majorlegs.php

But, these pro-homosexual, anti family bills were not a priority for the California Conference.

Gotta remember, most of those bishops all come from the same school, (St. John’s Seminary) and have the same boss, so I guess we shouldn’t expect much in the way of protecting the family.

God help us.
 
It would appear to me that our bishops pick and choose which Catholic issues to support, and which to push aside. Are they supportive of illegals because of the Catholic component?

Just curious.
 
kellicouch77 said:
It would appear to me that our bishops pick and choose which Catholic issues to support, and which to push aside. Are they supportive of illegals because of the Catholic component?

Just curious.
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This “selective compassion” has happened before; during the Cold War, the biships picked and chose issues that seemed to favor socialism and positions favored by the Soviet Union.

There was a bishops’ pastoral letter on nuclear weapons that never once mentioned prayer, for example. *

It was quite a battle … with some U.S. Catholic laypeople actually visiting the Holy Father in the Vatican to appeal to him to get involved in what some folks called WW3. And the Pope did get involved.*
 
kellicouch77 said:
When illegals use fraudulent documents, such as SSN’s and other legal paperwork, they can easily get other welfare benefits. As for medical care, they do indeed get medical cards- my best friend works for an OB/GYN that accepts them, and numerous patients are illegals that do not speak English.

In reference to the schools: When schools have to make accomodations for non-English speakers, valuable dollars are taken away from citizens to provide for the education of illegals. They do not pay into the education system- even if they do use fake SSN’s, they still aren’t paying into the system.

Widespread fraud exists in the welfare system. Implying that the illegals are here only for work, and not for the welfare system is a foolish statement. Why else would they go to great lengths to procure the fraudulent documents? It would be foolish to assume otherwise.
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A social security number is not all that is required to receive public assistance. They would have to provide other false documents, too, which are more difficult to fake, if not impossible. You have to pay to get false documents, besides, and they aren’t cheap.

The fact that someone speaks English or not does not make that person illegal. How does your friend know these people are illegals? Does he/she ask? I highly doubt it. I’m sure it’s just an assumption.

Everyone who buys anything in this country supports schools by paying sales tax. In states which charge property tax to register a vehicle, those taxes support schools. In states which have lotteries, those monies support schools. Illegals, therefore, who buy goods in the U.S., or pay property tax, or buy lottery tickets, support our schools.

If you think so many valuable dollars are being taken from the education system by teaching kids to speak English, then surely you must oppose money going into sports programs at school, or programs for children with special needs, or programs for teenage mothers, or work/study programs, or any other type of program which absolutely and without a doubt takes money from the budget.

Look into welfare benefits, please. They are temporary and sometimes there is a long waiting list, especially for public housing and W.I.C.

From the TANF website: (welfare)
  • Recipients (with few exceptions) must work as soon as they are job ready or no later than two years after coming on assistance.
  • Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.
  • Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.
  • Families with an adult who has received federally funded assistance for a total of five years (or less at state option) are not eligible for cash aid under the TANF program.
Do a little research before you make sweeping statements. You say you’re in college, so learning how to research should be part of your education.

Peace,
Meeshy
 
meeshy said:
From the Medicaid website: “As a general rule, only **qualified aliens **may be eligible for coverage. In addition, some immigrants cannot be eligible for coverage for five years from the date they enter the Country as a qualified alien. Finally, in determining the eligibility of some immigrants, the income and resources of the immigrant’s sponsor must be counted in determining the immigrant’s eligibility.”

From the Food Stamp website: "Non-citizens that are in the U.S. temporarily, such as students, are not eligible. "

From the H.U.D. website: " Public housing is limited to low-income families and individuals. An HA determines your eligibility based on: 1) annual gross income; 2) whether you qualify as elderly, a person with a disability, or as a family; and 3) U.S. citizenship or eligible immigration status. "

Just about the only public assistance an illegal immigrant can get is school lunch and W.I.C., both of which leave a lot to be desired. I have experience with both programs. They’re pretty poor.

As far as overburdened schools are concerned, it depends on the demographics. Not all schools are struggling, even in areas with an influx of illegal immigrants. In matters of funding, the U.S. government has always had a problem funding our schools, even since I was in elementary school in the late 1960’s. This is nothing new and it has nothing to do with illegal immigrants.

Peace,
Meeshy
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I agree illegal immigrants generally do not use these services, especially medicaid. Instead they just go to the emergency rooms at the hospitals for general health issues, i.e. colds, flu etc.
As a result, ER’s are stressed to the point of breaking. The local hospital where my mother had to go, had to shut down because they could not handle the number of illegals who showed up.
So, Americans who needed life-saving health care and were being transported by ambulance, had to go to other hospitals which were furhter away. I wonder if any people died as a result of this?

In my opinion, the fix that has to happen with regards to immigration, is to make it easier to come here legally.

Lets face it, with the unemployment rate of 4.5%, we need the labor immigrants provide. If we deported 12 million people, we’d end up with a labor shortage, I have no doubt.

Jim
 
Yes, my friend knows that they are here illegally. It does not matter however, since they are required to provide medical care to all. After giving birth in the United States, the children are citizens, and the mother cannot be deported. This is a big reason many come across that border to have a child here.

Have you any idea how much money is spent on illegals in public schools? According to an article by John Doughtery, illegals are causing a great strain on public education. Educating illegals in New Jersey accounts for 28% of the state’s budget deficit. California spends 2.2 billion to educate illegals. That is money that could be used for American citizens. The illegal immigration causes a financial strain on all. (freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969513/posts))

Illegals can get welfare benefits for their children. (freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773207/posts))

What about the staggering amount of illegals in our prison system? In California, it has been estimated that illegals make up nearly half the prison population. The cost to feed, clothe, and house these people is astronomical. Who foots the bill? The American taxpayer.
 
The Constitution states that natural born persons must also be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. So, it could be possible for someone born here to be subject to the jurisdiction of some other country and that could be construed as an impediment to U.S. Citizenship.
 
Besides that, and returning to the ten commandments, Jesus said the greatest commandment–surpassing the original ten–is to love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself. Therefore we forgive. **Therefore we do not label people as criminals for trying to feed their families. **Therefore we do not label people as criminals for having crossed our border but done nothing else illegal while they were here.

Do not bank robbers rob banks to feed their families? So I suggest the U.S. Bishops rally around those poor souls who have been convicted of bank robbery and fight to have them released from prison.🤷 A crime is a crime is a crime.
 
meeshy said:
Tancredo? Hmm el apellido me parece muy hispano 😉

Peace,
Meeshy
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Tancredo? Hmm the surname seems to me very Hispanic. :confused: What has that got to do with the price of tea in China? :rolleyes:
 
Okay, drug dealers are now called unlicensed pharmacists… oh, wait, bank robbers are unlicensed bankers… As you can tell this is ludacris. Anyone who breaks a law, is a lawbreaker.

If anyone entered our nation illegally, by circumventing the legal process to enter the United States, that said person is a criminal. Whether or not that said person has the intention of comitting more crimes while here is irrelevant. They are criminals already by breaking the law to enter ahead of persons with proper legal paperwork.
 
Beantown said:
Besides that, and returning to the ten commandments, Jesus said the greatest commandment–surpassing the original ten–is to love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
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You know,of course, that the Golden Rule is a synopsis of the Ten Commandments. If you do not keep the Ten Commandments you cannot love your neighbor.
 
kellicouch77 said:
Have you any idea how much money is spent on illegals in public schools? According to an article by John Doughtery, illegals are causing a great strain on public education. Educating illegals in New Jersey accounts for 28% of the state’s budget deficit. California spends 2.2 billion to educate illegals. That is money that could be used for American citizens. The illegal immigration causes a financial strain on all. (freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969513/posts))

Illegals can get welfare benefits for their children. (freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773207/posts))

What about the staggering amount of illegals in our prison system? In California, it has been estimated that illegals make up nearly half the prison population. The cost to feed, clothe, and house these people is astronomical. Who foots the bill? The American taxpayer.
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Plese quote only government websites regarding welfare, medicaid, food stamps, and school budgets. I have already provided the correct information from those websites. Are you disputing the government’s regulations?

Peace,
Meeshy
 
Angels_Watchin said:
Bishops all over the country, including the California Conference and the USCCB are supporting the “immigration” issue at the expense of pro-life (anti abortion), pro-family issues.
cacatholic.org/LD2007/ (CCC Lobby Day in APRIL)
(note the 4 priority bills - and the obviously lacking pro-homosexual bills that have been in the assembly and state senate since December and February - and were BOTH voted on AND PASSED in May (AB 14 and SB 777)(cacatholic.org/2007majorlegs.php

But, these pro-homosexual, anti family bills were not a priority for the California Conference.

Gotta remember, most of those bishops all come from the same school, (St. John’s Seminary) and have the same boss, so I guess we shouldn’t expect much in the way of protecting the family.

God help us.
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Don’t bash the Bishops, especially if you don’t know all the issues they are involved in. A quick look at the USCCB website will tell you what’s going on.

Aside from that, this is not a Catholic country. Most of the time, the Bishops can oppose something and speak out on issues, and it makes no difference in the final vote.

Peace,
Meeshy
 
Beantown said:
A crime is a crime is a crime.
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Matthew 18:21-22: “Then Peter came and said to Him. ‘Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?’ Jesus said to him, ‘I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.’”

Peace,
Meeshy
 
kellicouch77 said:
Okay, drug dealers are now called unlicensed pharmacists… oh, wait, bank robbers are unlicensed bankers… As you can tell this is ludacris. Anyone who breaks a law, is a lawbreaker.

If anyone entered our nation illegally, by circumventing the legal process to enter the United States, that said person is a criminal. Whether or not that said person has the intention of comitting more crimes while here is irrelevant. They are criminals already by breaking the law to enter ahead of persons with proper legal paperwork.
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L-u-d-i-c-r-o-u-s, babe. the other one is a rapper. 😉

Peace,
meeshy
 
bones_IV said:
What’s your opinion?

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My opinion? Once again the bishops are showing their complete and total estrangement from the minds of the regular Joe and Jane in the pew.

Most Hispanic kids don’t graduate from high school. Their out of wedlock births have hit 50%. This garauntees poverty. It seems both unChristian and unAmerican to be importing a peasant class just so that the elites can have someone to do their work for them at a lower wage than they would have to pay Americans.
 
meeshy said:
Don’t bash the Bishops, especially if you don’t know all the issues they are involved in. A quick look at the USCCB website will tell you what’s going on.

Aside from that, this is not a Catholic country. Most of the time, the Bishops can oppose something and speak out on issues, and it makes no difference in the final vote.

Peace,
Meeshy
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The MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE (re social justice) is pro-life.
The CA Conference (representing all our bishops in the state) **CHOSE **IMMIGRATION AS the PRIORITY ISSUE IN CA - that says a lot to Catholics.
They had 600 Catholics with them who were NOT working on pro-life issues, because the bishops DIRECTED them to focus on other, less important issues (not my sentiment - the USCCB and the Church’s sentiment)

Re: “Most of the time, the Bishops can oppose something and speak out on issues, and it makes no difference in the final vote.”

So they should be silent? They MUST speak out publicly to teach the minds and souls of Catholics so that we know the truth. If they were actually doing their jobs - the country WOULD be Catholic - or at least the the Catholics would be. And then, the 26% of voters who ARE Catholic would vote pro-life. Most of the bishops are not teaching - they’re managing.

(except for the 12 or 13 who actually DO speak publicly about the teachings of the Church)
 
Do I dispute government regulations? No. I am only giving you proof that fraudulent activities occur, even if the “regulations” state otherwise. I made use of another source of information, to prove my point with regard to welfare fraud. Whether or not you choose to believe the evidence in front of you… hey, your choice.

Illegal immigration is a huge problem in this country, and it cannot be solved by simply legalizing 12 million people. The strain on our schools, highways, and hospitals is atrocious. It will only get worse if more illegals continue to flood into our country.
 
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