U.S. Catholic bishops are considering punishing Catholics who enforce Trump's immigration policy

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To those Catholics who cowardly rationalize supporting the policy to rip kids away from mothers—shame on you.

I’m grateful to see Catholic leadership & the majority of Catholics exhibit Christ-like compassion & condemn this barbarity…
 
Would this only apply to immigration policy or could it also be applied in the complicated issues of child custody?
 
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If a bishop makes an assertion or proposes an action his position should be supportable by a reasoned argument. “Because the bishop said so” is not such an argument.
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Well, Matthew 25 is a pretty solid reason, Child abuse = bad, a pretty good reason. A much more poorly reasoned argument is just saying something has no reasons when they exist because one’s politics conflicts with the demands of God.
 
The seamless garment…where liberals who identify as Catholic go to vote for candidate save the whales even though that politician supports abortion and the other four Catholic non negotiables.
 
If you do not care for that term, you can go with Pope Francis:

“Our defense of the innocent unborn, for example, needs to be clear, firm and passionate, for at stake is the dignity of a human life, which is always sacred,…Equally sacred, however, are the lives of the poor, those already born, the destitute, the abandoned and the underprivileged, the vulnerable infirm and elderly exposed to covert euthanasia, the victims of human trafficking, new forms of slavery, and every form of rejection.”

I would also point out that those who identify as Catholic voted for the president we now have. It is not either/or, and this thread is not about abortion, or Nazis, as per Godwin’s law. Not everything is Nazis, nor is everything abortion. No, this thread is about immigration.

http://www.usccb.org/news/2018/18-098.cfm
While protecting our borders is important, we can and must do better as a government, and as a society, to find other ways to ensure that safety. Separating babies from their mothers is not the answer and is immoral."
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Well, my shepherd has spoken. I note that he understands enforcing the law better than most here.
Our government has the discretion in our laws to ensure that young children are not separated from their parents and exposed to irreparable harm and trauma.
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I would also point out that those who identify as Catholic voted for the president we now have.
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Yes and it was these words from Pope Francis along with the Bishops Gospel of Life document that guided me to vote for our pro life President.
“Since everything is interrelated, concern for the protection of nature is also incompatible with the justification of abortion. How can we genuinely teach the importance of concern for other vulnerable beings, however troublesome or inconvenient they may be, if we fail to protect a human embryo, even when its presence is uncomfortable and creates difficulties? “If personal and social sensitivity towards the acceptance of the new life is lost, then other forms of acceptance that are valuable for society also wither away”.
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Absolutely, especially since you think he is pro-life! No complaint there, and I get it. A lot of good topics can spin off from this. But again, this article is not about abortion. Not everything on CAF is about abortion.
 
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The thread is also about canonical punishment and one wonders how the sacraments can be weaponized for one particular political issue but slackened for another.
Not everything on CAF is about abortion.
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Of course not but when we are talking pro life issues abortion should always be prioritized because that is where pro life starts.
 
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Of course not but when we are talking pro life issues abortion should always be prioritized because that is where pro life starts.
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But again, this article is not about abortion. Not everything on CAF is about abortion.

Nazis are the worst of the worst when it comes to evil, yet not everything is about Nazis. Like abortion, it mis-direction, what-about-ism, at least I’m not (fill in the blank).
 
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I’ll comment as I see fit and you are free to report me to the authorities. I think abortion is a topic to be brought up in any pro life issue and also when there are discrepencies with how to approach canonical punishment.

But now that you mention nazis…

www.foxnews.com

Pope Francis denounces abortion as ‘white glove’ Nazi-era eugenics

Pope Francis has denounced abortion as the "white glove" equivalent of the Nazi-era eugenics program and urged families to accept the children that God gives them.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
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This reminds me of Archbishop Rummel and Leander Perez.
Do you think that the bishops will place any place under an interdiction?
 
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I’ll comment as I see fit and you are free to report me to the authorities. I think abortion is a topic to be brought up in any pro life issue and also when there are discrepencies with how to approach canonical punishment.
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But again, this article is not about abortion. Not everything on CAF is about abortion

If your point is that some progressives that are outraged about this are hypocrites because they do worse with abortion, that goes without saying. However, if that it is acknowledged, so must the hypocrisy of the conservatives who oppose abortion on moral grounds while rejecting morality elsewhere. The Church is pro-life, not just pro-birth. There is a great video out called the Magical Birth Canal, which points illustrates that some children are only valued when they pass through this magical birth canal (worth a watch). I would say one could make another video where conservatives say, “We care about you. We care about you. We care about you.” Then, after the baby is through, “You are own your own. Go get a job already.”

I will repeat my challenge. Find one bishop that believes what is happening is morally acceptable for a Catholic to support, and I will concede that this is not dissent from the Church, morality, and God Himself.
 
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Like not supporting separating children from their families? Seems reasoned.
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No, I don’t consider that an argument at all. It is a way of phrasing the issue such that it can be won without the inconvenience of actually having to debate it. It ought to be reasonably clear even to opponents that the border patrol is not separating children from their families as an end, that there is actually some reason behind the action. You may well argue that the objective is insufficient to justify the action, but that would require the entire situation to be addressed, something the “separating the children” meme simply ignores.
 
The reason behind the action is to purposefully inflict emotional trauma.

That’s the actual reason.
 
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Well, Matthew 25 is a pretty solid reason, Child abuse = bad, a pretty good reason. A much more poorly reasoned argument is just saying something has no reasons when they exist because one’s politics conflicts with the demands of God.
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And this is a pretty good synopsis of why I so strongly oppose the involvement of the bishops in political issues: it comes with the almost inevitably invalid assumption that opposing the bishops political preferences is opposing the will of God. What an astonishing belief.
 
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