U.S. Soldiers Mercenaries?

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wabrams:
Oh yeah, GREAT example. Wasn’t this the same lunatic who turned troops loose on the Bonus Army, spoke out against the president, and wanted to nuke China, regardless of the consiquences? Enough for me, if I take your lead, to believe this man was disaterous and a danger to this country.
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So you recommend, what? We invade Japan and start all over?http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
vern humphrey:
Help me out here – just where was the British Sector in Japan?
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Where was it in Germany? Oh wait, there wasn’t one, it was a team effort.
 
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wabrams:
Economic imperialism backed up by the United States military.
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And which nations did we take over? http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

Since you seem to admire the British approach, maybe what we did wrong was NOT take over these natons and rule them – which was the British formula.
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wabrams:
Last time I checked, India was a very stable country
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Other than being split into three parts, with running feuds amongst the various ethnic and religious groups, and thumbing their nose at the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, they’re models for the rest of the world.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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wabrams:
and the entire continent of Africa wasn’t held by the British. With regards to the middle east, the British admitted it was a mistake.
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And Burma, Zimbabwe, the Sudan, and a lot of other former British colonies were “mistakes,” too.

Name me a former British colony that you consider a success.
 
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wabrams:
Where was it in Germany? Oh wait, there wasn’t one, it was a team effort.
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Actually, there was a British Sector – and an American, French and Soviet Sector, too. After a decade of occupation, the French, British and Americans signed a peace treaty with Germany and those sectors were incorporated to form the Federal Republic of Germany.

In Berlin, there was a “team effort” but that quickly proved a mistake, and again British, American, French and Soviet Sectors were formed and remained in effect until the fall of the Berlin Wall.
 
vern humphrey:
Well, I didn’t want to phrase it that baldly, but yeah, that’s what you’ve been doing.
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I’m not the one who was inviting the other one to leave the country. Oh,well…
 
Arba Sicula:
I’m not the one who was inviting the other one to leave the country. Oh,well…
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I’m not the one moaning and groaning about what a horrible country this is, while enjoying all the benefits.

As I said, if you really think the United States is so bad, why stay here?
 
vern humphrey:
And which nations did we take over? http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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Haiti, Nicaragua, the Phillipines, Cuba, Panama, The Dominican Republic, Iraq.
vern humphrey:
Since you seem to admire the British approach, maybe what we did wrong was NOT take over these natons and rule them – which was the British formula.
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Grabbing for straws I see.
vern humphrey:
Other than being split into three parts, with running feuds amongst the various ethnic and religious groups, and thumbing their nose at the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, they’re models for the rest of the world.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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With the exception of the NNPT, sounds just like Iraq. And you know what? India has always been that way and will always stay that way, just like many countries in the middle east. I believe we’ve in some way, shape, or form and disregarded aspects of the NNPT.
vern humphrey:
And Burma, Zimbabwe, the Sudan, and a lot of other former British colonies were “mistakes,” too.

Name me a former British colony that you consider a success.
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India, Egypt, USA, South Africa.
 
vern humphrey:
I’m not the one moaning and groaning about what a horrible country this is, while enjoying all the benefits.

As I said, if you really think the United States is so bad, why stay here?
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Not once has there been any moaning and groaning about how bad this country is now. We’re talking about things done anywhere from 80 to 100+ years ago. If I say it was horrible that we had state sponsored slavery in this country in the past, I should leave the country, right?

Telling someone to 'love it or leave it" is on par with a lefty telling someone they can’t have a viewpoint because it differs from theirs.
 
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wabrams:
Haiti, Nicaragua, the Phillipines, Cuba, Panama, The Dominican Republic, Iraq.
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Funny, all those nations are independent and represented in the United Nations.
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wabrams:
With the exception of the NNPT, sounds just like Iraq. And you know what? India has always been that way and will always stay that way, just like many countries in the middle east. I believe we’ve in some way, shape, or form and disregarded aspects of the NNPT.
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So you say the British were successful at nation building, but where they weren’t you give them a pass?http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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wabrams:
India, Egypt, USA, South Africa.
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We’ve already pointed out that India is not the democratic paradise you paint it. I’ve lived in Egypt – it isn’t a democracy either. And you, yourself decry the USA (which was not “made” by the British.) And South Africa is one of the most crime-ridden nations – aside from being built on the foundations of the Boer Republics.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

So give us a REAL success story – how about Sri Lanka? Malaysia?
 
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wabrams:
Not once has there been any moaning and groaning about how bad this country is now. We’re talking about things done anywhere from 80 to 100+ years ago. If I say it was horrible that we had state sponsored slavery in this country in the past, I should leave the country, right?
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So you approve of our modern actions – like Iraq, Haiti, Kosovo, Bosnia, and so on?
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wabrams:
Telling someone to 'love it or leave it" is on par with a lefty telling someone they can’t have a viewpoint because it differs from theirs.
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You noticed that, did you?http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
Won’t get into this little argument.:nope: But, when deciding what countries “WE AMERICAN MERCENARIES,” have occupied in the past and which countries we still occupy, the little matter of whom occupied the countries before we got there needs to be looked into.

History is something the until recently was unchanging. Now it is PC to change history to be more polite and politically expedient.
 
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KathleenElsie:
Won’t get into this little argument.:nope: But, when deciding what countries “WE AMERICAN MERCENARIES,” have occupied in the past and which countries we still occupy, the little matter of whom occupied the countries before we got there needs to be looked into.

History is something the until recently was unchanging. Now it is PC to change history to be more polite and politically expedient.
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I think you’re on to something.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
vern humphrey:
Funny, all those nations are independent and represented in the United Nations.
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They are NOW, but weren’t then.
vern humphrey:
So you say the British were successful at nation building, but where they weren’t you give them a pass?http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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You can’t control a could chunk of the globe and expect every colony to turn out to be a success story.
vern humphrey:
We’ve already pointed out that India is not the democratic paradise you paint it. I’ve lived in Egypt – it isn’t a democracy either. And you, yourself decry the USA (which was not “made” by the British.) And South Africa is one of the most crime-ridden nations – aside from being built on the foundations of the Boer Republics.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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Egypt isn’t Democratic? I guess someone should tell them to quit holding elections. And this country isn’t crime ridden? There is no ethnic dividing lines or squabbling? BTW, I don’t decry the US. We must learn from our mistales unless we wish to repeat them.
 
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KathleenElsie:
Won’t get into this little argument.:nope: But, when deciding what countries “WE AMERICAN MERCENARIES,” have occupied in the past and which countries we still occupy, the little matter of whom occupied the countries before we got there needs to be looked into.
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No, their culture and their entire history need to be looked at.
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KathleenElsie:
History is something the until recently was unchanging. Now it is PC to change history to be more polite and politically expedient.
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Not true, history has always been changed and re-written.
 
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wabrams:
They are NOW, but weren’t then.
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Same thing could be said for every one of those British colonies. http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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wabrams:
You can’t control a could chunk of the globe and expect every colony to turn out to be a success story.
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So you’re backing off the claim that they did so much better than we?

Actually, you might consider that you said, the British “control(ed) a could chunk of the globe.” That is, they were there longer than we were, and had greater control – with no more visible success.
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wabrams:
Egypt isn’t Democratic? I guess someone should tell them to quit holding elections.
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Even the former Soviet Union had elections – but the same guys always came out on top.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

As I said, I used to live there – a man from Mars would be pardoned for thinking Egypt was any different from the run of the mill dictatorships that infest the rest of the Middle East.
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wabrams:
And this country isn’t crime ridden? There is no ethnic dividing lines or squabbling?
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Not like India – for example, how many wives get burned to death by their in-laws? How many “untouchables” do we have? How many riots between Muslims, Hindus, Christians and Sikhs?
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wabrams:
BTW, I don’t decry the US. We must learn from our mistales unless we wish to repeat them.
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Of course – but it helps if we have a deeper understanding of history so we can examine the conditions and sort the mistakes from the successes.

Just saying we always fail (we don’t) and the British always succeed (they don’t) is hardly a detailed study leading to well-founded conclusions.
 
Arba Sicula:
It is difficult to believe that the United States carried out its occupation in a vacuum without relying to some extent on British knowledge or advice.
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Huh?
 
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