"UK Minister Warns Brits Could Be Denied Normal Life Without COVID Vaccination"

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I’ve heard of this–how very frightening and with demonic undertones! St. Joseph, terror of demons, pray for us!
 
Good grief, bars and restaurants might refuse entry to people who haven’t been vaccinated!

If demons can’t be vaccinated, at least it will keep them out.
 
Whatever was considered a normal life, I’m pretty sure that most of them are not living it right now.
 
Not sure how that article wouldn’t be concerning to everyone that reads it. Control. Control. Control. Wake up.
 
This seems like a very short article, but I do not understand why businesses would refuse to allow entry to those who have not been vaccinated, once the vaccine has been available to the general population for 3 months or so, so that those who are not vaccinated will have chosen not to be vaccinated?

And during the initial roll-out–will there be restrictions on who can be vaccinated? Like if they vaccinate the elderly first, and grocery stores refuse entry to non-vaccinated people, then young people who have been shopping for the elderly would be unable to shop, and the elderly would have to do it… this seems backwards to me.
 
Annie said:
Like if they vaccinate the elderly first, and grocery stores refuse entry to non-vaccinated people
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Nadhim Zahawi suggested that It would be social settings like bars and restaurants and would be at the discretion of the owners.
 
I guess I am wondering why they would have any restrictions once the vaccine had been generally available for long enough for all those who chose to get vaccinated to do so?
 
There are not just vaccine refusers who one might argue should be free to play games with evolution, there are people whose medical conditions won’t allow them to be vaccinated. Until a level of herd immunity is built up, businesses would be faced with press/social media uproar over people who caught Covid while having a meal because of the lack of consideration of others.

Basically, the UK Government would be saying to bar and restaurant owners that they would have the right to exclude.
 
Kaninchen said:
businesses would be faced with press/social media uproar over people who caught Covid while having a meal because of the lack of consideration of others.
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This seems unreasonable. First, why blame the business? Second, it seems like people who are immunocompromised should be very careful not just because of covid but of flu and other diseases.

The only thing I can imagine an uproar over for a food business would be things like salmonella.
Kaninchen said:
Basically, the UK Government would be saying to bar and restaurant owners that they would have the right to exclude.
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OTOH, this seems reasonable; everyone would get to choose and have the information to make an appropriate decision for themselves.
 
Annie said:
First, why blame the business?
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Continuous uproar is in the nature of our notoriously (for centuries) red-in-tooth-and-claw press.

Our parents’ and grandparents’ generations went through the privations and horrors of two world wars, the Great Depression, the rise of Fascism/Nazism etc – I think ours can manage a few months of not being able to go to each and every pub and restaurant around.
 
Frankly, I would make vaccinations mandatory. Short of that, then refuse entry into various types of establishments might encourage them to get a shot.
None of this has anything to do with a person’s individual rights. With such terrible health crisis the rights of society must take priority.
 
Montrose:
We’ve never required everyone to get the flu vaccine, yet it is far more dangerous than this virus. Secondly, it does have to do with a person’s individual rights. I have immune issues–I can’t take a vaccine that could spur an autoimmune attack, therefore it should be my right to choose if I am vaccinated or not. I also don’t want a genetic vaccine (one which uses mRNA technology). Furthermore, the coronavirus vaccine contains aborted stem cells (Catholic moral issue), an enzyme that glows called Luciferase (no joke, look it up), and sterility agents. Thanks but no thanks, I want kids someday, God willing.
 
the_kings_daughter said:
Montrose:
We’ve never required everyone to get the flu vaccine, yet it is far more dangerous than this virus. Secondly, it does have to do with a person’s individual rights. I have immune issues–I can’t take a vaccine that could spur an autoimmune attack, therefore it should be my right to choose if I am vaccinated or not.
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You’ll have a medical exemption. You won’t be forced to have a vax that will harm you.
 
Montrose said:
With such terrible health crisis the rights of society must take priority.
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Only a small part of the population is really at risk of serious illness or death. About 40% of those who died were in nursing homes, and so in the worst possible situation and condition to be affected by covid.

The risk benefit ratio for those more likely to be adversely affected should they catch the virus would encourage them to get the vaccine.

The rest of the population would almost all experience few if any symptoms.

So I am not sure why we would need to force everyone to get a new type of vaccine for which we know nothing of the long-term consequences.
 
TepeyacTraveler said:
Not sure how that article wouldn’t be concerning to everyone that reads it. Control. Control. Control. Wake up.
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I would rather say that the “Control. Control.” position that needs to “wake up” is the one that does not think the owner of a business or venue has the right to keep himself and his customers safe.
 
the_kings_daughter said:
Montrose:
We’ve never required everyone to get the flu vaccine, yet it is far more dangerous than this virus. Secondly, it does have to do with a person’s individual rights. I have immune issues–I can’t take a vaccine that could spur an autoimmune attack, therefore it should be my right to choose if I am vaccinated or not. I also don’t want a genetic vaccine (one which uses mRNA technology). Furthermore, the coronavirus vaccine contains aborted stem cells (Catholic moral issue), an enzyme that glows called Luciferase (no joke, look it up), and sterility agents. Thanks but no thanks, I want kids someday, God willing.
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I am talking about the public at large. Obviously there are medical exceptions.
You are also wrong about the vaccines. NO fetal tissue/cells have been used. That was a myth put out by anti-vaxxers and has been debunked. Your other comments on the vaccine are sheer nonsense.
Lastly, apart from those with a particular medical issue, no individual should have the right to potentially kill someone else by refusing a vaccination. The rights of society in a grave health crisis comes first.
By the way, I have cancer (chronic lymphoctic leukemia)and my immune system is compromised. My lymphocyte count is through the roof. The CDC already recommends those with cancer and weakened immune systems get flu and pneumonia vaccinations. Why would it be different with this one.
 
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