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Russia mulls new land-grab law

Russian MPs have proposed new laws that would make it easier for Russia to incorporate parts of Ukraine, and allow Russian citizenship to be fast-tracked.
bbc.com/news/world-europe-26381454

BBC: Russia will defend the rights of its compatriots in a “strong and uncompromising” manner, its foreign ministry is quoted by Reuters as saying.

The new foreign minister of the Ukraine has tried to contact the Russian foreign minister but the Russian foreign minister has not returned his phone calls
 
Well at least, Russia has not been found to be spying on all the other countries of the world, ‘friends’ and otherwise nor to spying on its’ own population.
I’m not interested in derailing this thread, which is about Ukraine, but I have to ask what is it about Putin’s regime that you find so appealing? I honestly don’t see how he is that much different than a dictator. Our president may have some immoral or objectionable policies, but at least he is democratically elected and will not cling to power after his term is up.
 
I’m not interested in derailing this thread, which is about Ukraine, but I have to ask what is it about Putin’s regime that you find so appealing? I honestly don’t see how he is that much different than a dictator. Our president may have some immoral or objectionable policies, but at least he is democratically elected and will not cling to power after his term is up.
I thought the Russian’s elected their president and Putin was elected each term, he got 63% of the votes out of 5 candidates in 2012? I am not into politics at all, as IMO experience it never makes any odds, who is in power, as nothing ever changes. I do not see anything Putin is doing at present, in relation to the Ukraine, being anything different than any other country would do, UK/USA/EU if any of their citizens were situated in an unstable neighbouring region. For the West to make any comment as to what Putin can or cannot do, I find laughable after they all jumped on board in numerous wars in regions/countries that had absolutely nothing to do with them. The Syrian conflict being one of the first to be stopped, through the help of Russia and China and the Pope’s vigil for peace, that was not attacked and hit as the other countries were.
 
I thought the Russian’s elected their president and Putin was elected each term, he got 63% of the votes out of 5 candidates in 2012? .
Pepipop, his election was rigged. You may be interested in reading this article:
After Election, Putin Faces Challenges to Legitimacy

nytimes.com/2012/03/06/world/europe/observers-detail-flaws-in-russian-election.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

and


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_presidential_election,_2012#Claims_of_electoral_irregularities

Russians like him though, they like autocrats (they haven’t really experienced anyone who wasn’t one)
 
Pepipop, his election was rigged. You may be interested in reading this article:
After Election, Putin Faces Challenges to Legitimacy

nytimes.com/2012/03/06/world/europe/observers-detail-flaws-in-russian-election.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

and


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_presidential_election,_2012#Claims_of_electoral_irregularities
But again on whose say so? The West’s, the USA and the EU? I don’t know if it was rigged, possibly the ones who were protesting voted for one of the other candidates - who really knows. I noted several comments to the article e.g.:

*The Russian ambassador in Washington never interferes in American affairs so the US ambassador in Moscow should do the same. Let him talk about Guantanamo, that’s his problem.

Why Putin is so popular? Answer is simple: there is no option.
Just no option.
Zuganov: old communist. Nuff said. He got second place because of his auditory: pensioners who dreamed of USSR times. None of under 50 ages support him.
Zhirinovskiy: political jester. few people take him seriously.
Mironov: dark horse from opposition.
Prokhorov: dark horse from business.
Maybe during next elections Prokhorov will raise in popularity. But now he doesn’t have political party. They say he is fallback variant from the REAL “hidden” political force here in Russia. Club of powerful oligarchs and KGB’s who raised Putin. Yep, many of us doesn’t speak of Putin as “tcar”, “dictator” or similar, no, they say that Putin just “face of the hidden club”. So, Prokhorov (who is olygarch) is just new such face in the case of Putin’s fail on elections.

So, Putin just have no options. Democracy? Oh, it seems like parties in USA, where hundred years only two parties forms presidents. In Russia there are one such a party. Hm… Seems legit, yea?
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But again on whose say so?
Read the articles I linked to, they will answer your question.

Putin is an autocrat and a product of the KKK (where he matured.) He learned from fighting terrorists in Chechnya that if one shows weakness, they are beaten. So he shows strength in everything he does. (think of him as the opposite of Obama)

He is more like an Alexander the Great, Czar or Caesar than a modern politician.

He will come out on top in this battle with the Ukraine.

Here is another article:
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/9100388/Vladimir-Putin-the-godfather-of-a-mafia-clan.html
 
I thought the Russian’s elected their president and Putin was elected each term, he got 63% of the votes out of 5 candidates in 2012? I am not into politics at all, as IMO experience it never makes any odds, who is in power, as nothing ever changes. I do not see anything Putin is doing at present, in relation to the Ukraine, being anything different than any other country would do, UK/USA/EU if any of their citizens were situated in an unstable neighbouring region. For the West to make any comment as to what Putin can or cannot do, I find laughable after they all jumped on board in numerous wars in regions/countries that had absolutely nothing to do with them. The Syrian conflict being one of the first to be stopped, through the help of Russia and China and the Pope’s vigil for peace, that was not attacked and hit as the other countries were.
He’s not respecting the sovereignty of the people of Ukraine, for one thing. He wants the Ukrainian leader to do what is in Russia’s interest, not necessarily the interest of Ukraine. I think he sees them as “belonging” to Russia historically, which is wrong in my opinion as it’s an independent country.

I don’t know the vote tallies and so forth from recent elections in Russia but if you do everything in your power to stifle opposition forces so that there are no credible challengers then it doesn’t mean much, does it? This is why I see him as a strongman. A few years ago he announced his retirement after being in office for a number of years, to be succeeded as president by his protege Medved, and when Medved proved too weak a personality he returned to power. Now heaven knows when he will step down. (Incidentally it’s not unusual to have ‘kingmakers’ exercise influence behind the scenes which is entirely predictable and perhaps unavoidable, but for the kingmaker to come back into power for the foreseeable future shows again the difference between a kingmaker and a dictator.)
 
Read the articles I linked to, they will answer your question.

Putin is an autocrat and a product of the KKK (where he matured.) He learned from fighting terrorists in Chechnya that if one shows weakness, they are beaten. So he shows strength in everything he does. (think of him as the opposite of Obama)

He is more like an Alexander the Great, Czar or Caesar than a modern politician.

He will come out on top in this battle with the Ukraine.
For example, today I saw a programme regarding the presidency in the USA, on TV. To do with Yale graduates and the skull and bones secret society, from which 3 presidents were elected. It also went on to say members of this club always obtained prominent positions of power around the USA, so the ‘democratic’ vote in any country could be said to be fixed in some way or another.
 
Russians like him though, they like autocrats (they haven’t really experienced anyone who wasn’t one)
And like all human beings they like a stable economic order and the perception that things are getting better for them materially. I believe that before Putin came to power the Russian economy was in a continuous free-fall. Many are no doubt also nostalgic for the time when Russia as the other superpower exercised unprecedented power on the global stage. I can understand that too.
 
And like all human beings they like a stable economic order and the perception that things are getting better for them materially. I believe that before Putin came to power the Russian economy was in a continuous free-fall. Many are no doubt also nostalgic for the time when Russia as the other superpower exercised unprecedented power on the global stage. I can understand that too.
I can understand it too. The Czars also brought a “normalcy” to Russia in their day as well. And it was fine for everyone but those who the Czars didn’t like. Same with most autocratic countries.

Getting back to the Crimea, I have read emails from a number of ethnic Russians there that like living under the Russian umbrella, and their businesses are prospering with trading with the Russian Navy. They think that if the Ukraine grows closer to the EU, then the IMF will require greater austerity from the government (to pay off debts) and the Russian money flow (essentially bribes from Russia to gain control over the region) will dry up. The end result for them will be greater poverty; which they are against.

All politics is local, for a lot of people it all depends on what they get out of it.
 
Russian planes are landing in Crimea and a column of armoured personnel carriers is approaching Simferopol, Ukrainska Pravda website is reporting (BBC Monitoring)

While at the same time:

Reuters quotes the Russian Foreign Minister as saying Russia has no intention of violating Ukraine’s sovereignty.

:rolleyes:
 
I can understand it too. The Czars also brought a “normalcy” to Russia in their day as well. And it was fine for everyone but those who the Czars didn’t like. Same with most autocratic countries.

Getting back to the Crimea, I have read emails from a number of ethnic Russians there that like living under the Russian umbrella, and their businesses are prospering with trading with the Russian Navy. They think that if the Ukraine grows closer to the EU, then the IMF will require greater austerity from the government (to pay off debts) and the Russian money flow (essentially bribes from Russia to gain control over the region) will dry up. The end result for them will be greater poverty; which they are against.

All politics is local, for a lot of people it all depends on what they get out of it.
The United States is far more autocratic than Putin’s Russia.

Modern Russian “autocracy” is an invention of Western Media Propaganda.

If Putin were to get in line with the Sodomite, Atheist agenda in the West, all allegations of “autocracy” would tomorrow disappear.
 
Putin still has a tendre for communism (or did you not read my last few posts), so I will not be deceived by a wolf in sheep’s clothing. His type of Christianity is for convenience sake only (his true colours will show forth eventually).
Those are false accusations against Putin and have no basis in fact.
 
BBC: Russia says it will fast-track passports for members of Ukraine’s Berkut riot police after the unit was disbanded by Kiev’s new authorities, AFP reports. The force has been accused of using snipers to shoot protesters during the dying days of President Yanukovych’s regime. Russian authorities are quoted as saying that the passports will be issued in Crimea’s capital Simferopol.

Because Russia is staying out of the Ukraine’s internal affairs :rolleyes:

Russia admits that it has moved troops in Ukraine

Russia has finally confirmed that it has moved troops into Ukraine’s restive Crimea region, after speculation about Moscow’s involvement


Russian troops have moved into Crimea in what Moscow is calling a mission to “protect Black Sea Fleet’s positions” but which the Ukrainian government has denounced as an “armed intervention.”

The Russian foreign ministry said Friday that it had informed the Ukrainian government that armoured units from the Black Sea Fleet base near Sevastopol had entered Crimea in order to protect fleet positions.

“The Ukrainian side was also passed a note regarding the movement of armoured vehicles of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, which is happening in full accordance with the foundation Russian-Ukrainian agreement on the Black Sea Fleet,” the ministry said in a statement posted on its website on Friday afternoon.

In the same note the Russian foreign ministry said it had declined a Ukrainian request for “bilateral consultations” on events in Crimea because they are “the result of recent internal political processes in Ukraine.”

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10668357/Russia-admits-that-it-has-moved-troops-in-Ukraine.html

I’m pretty sure the agreement was that BOTH sides have to agree to any troop movements, not that Russia just notifies the Ukraine.

Russia has closed the airspace around Simferopol. Simferopol is in the Ukraine.
 
In case anyone wants to know which side Russia Today is on:

@M_Simonyan Дорогие бойцы Беркута! Добро пожаловать! Не знаю, кто как, а я рада. Чаю будете?

“Dear Berkut, welcome, you don’t know how glad we are to see you.” It ends with an offer to tea.

From the Guardian:
The Russian foreign ministry has authorized the issuance of** passports for members of the Berkut**, the Ukrainian paramilitary force that acted in support of Yanukovych during the Independence Square protests, according to the ministry’s Facebook page and the ministry web site.

All estimated 4,000 members of the force would be eligible for passports, a Russian foreign ministry spokesperson told BuzzFeed. There was no explanation for the move. Moscow distributed passports in advance of its 2008 invasion of Georgia, in part under the pretext of protecting Russians.
 
Just speculating, but I could see the West attempting to force Putin into what they believe will be a no win situation. Ukrainian forces could enter Crimea to establish control which could lead to either, A. Putin doing nothing, which would make him look weak in Russia, or B. Using force against the Ukrainian military-police, which would lead to him being demonized by Western governments and there media.
 
Just speculating, but I could see the West attempting to force Putin into what they believe will be a no win situation. Ukrainian forces could enter Crimea to establish control which could lead to either, A. Putin doing nothing, which would make him look weak in Russia, or B. Using force against the Ukrainian military-police, which would lead to him being demonized by Western governments and there media.
I tend to think so as well. 👍👍
 
The United States is far more autocratic than Putin’s Russia.

Modern Russian “autocracy” is an invention of Western Media Propaganda.

If Putin were to get in line with the Sodomite, Atheist agenda in the West, all allegations of “autocracy” would tomorrow disappear.
I thought Sodom was destroyed a long time ago. Who are these Sodomites you are referring to? Why isn’t anybody concerned about the Gomorrahites (or however you spell it)? Maybe they were simply comminting heterosexual sins so they weren’t that big of a deal.
 
Telephone hubs in Crimea have been blocked, Ukraine’s Channel 5 TV reports. An official from the company that owns the Ukrainian telecom monopoly Ukrtelekom is also reported to have told Ukrainska Pravda the firm is unable to get in touch with its Crimean branch. (BBC Monitoring).

At least five Russian Il-76 planes have landed at a military airport in Gvardiysky, near Simferopol, Ukrainska Pravda internet newspaper reports citing eyewitnesses. Reports also say a column of Russian armoured personnel carriers is heading towards Simferopol.

ummmm…
 
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