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pepipop said:
For example, today I saw a programme regarding the presidency in the USA, on TV. To do with Yale graduates and the skull and bones secret society, from which 3 presidents were elected. It also went on to say members of this club always obtained prominent positions of power around the USA, so the ‘democratic’ vote in any country could be said to be fixed in some way or another.
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Why do 3 US oresidents come from the secret skull and bones society? Are the US elections rigged in their favor?
 
J_Peterson said:
I thought Sodom was destroyed a long time ago. Who are these Sodomites you are referring to?.
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Have you heard of same sex marriage? At a local US Catholic college, they have an alumni magazine of sorts which comes out a few times per year, detailing the accomplishments of their alumni. There are two or three pages with congratulatory messages and photos of recent marriages. Well, guess what, this Catholic college is congratulating a same sex couple (2 males) on their recent wedding. You won’t see a Russian Orthodox Church sponsored group doing the same. Same sex marriage and pro-homosexual propaganda is what many Russian speaking Ukrainians do not want, but it is what the EU is supporting.
 
Tomdstone said:
Why do 3 US oresidents come from the secret skull and bones society? Are the US elections rigged in their favor?
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I’m saying nothing! 😃

When 85 of the richest men in the world have the same amount of money as 3.5 billion of the world’s poorest…hmmm, I wonder who’s actually is in control.
 
Tomdstone said:
Why do 3 US oresidents come from the secret skull and bones society? Are the US elections rigged in their favor?
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This sounds like a knock-knock joke. Perhaps a get together with the rest of the knock America tag team can come up with a good one! Otherwise, knock it off? :rolleyes:
 
Tomdstone said:
Have you heard of same sex marriage? At a local US Catholic college, they have an alumni magazine of sorts which comes out a few times per year, detailing the accomplishments of their alumni. There are two or three pages with congratulatory messages and photos of recent marriages. Well, guess what, this Catholic college is congratulating a same sex couple (2 males) on their recent wedding. You won’t see a Russian Orthodox Church sponsored group doing the same. Same sex marriage and pro-homosexual propaganda is what many Russian speaking Ukrainians do not want, but it is what the EU is supporting.
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I was making a joke based on the capitalization of Sodomite as if they still exist as citizens of the city. They don’t exist as a people any more. Besides, they were guilty of far more and far worse than homosexual sex.

Honestly, I don’t care about that stuff. It certainly is not worth starting a war over. I suspected that the pro-Russia folks are only pro-Russia becuase Russia is anti-gay. My suspicions are being confirmed by this thread.
 
gilliam said:
In case anyone wants to know which side Russia Today is on:]
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Everybody knows what side Russia is on and what side the EU is on.
The EU favors LGBT “rights”, P- Riot, Femenism. Do you want the P-Riot group singing their foul mouthed lyrics and doing their thing in Catholic Churches? The Russian Orthodox don’t appreciate their music the way that many in the EU seem to. Do you want to see homosexual propaganda in kindergartens in grade schools? If so, go with the EU and oppose the laws which have been passed in Russia.
 
Summary from The Guardian

• Military units took over airports and roads in Crimea Friday. Soldiers in unmarked uniforms took over the airports at Sevastopol and Simferopol. Russian armored personnel carriers and helicopters were sighted in the region.

**• The Russian Black Sea fleet, harbored at Sevastopol, said it was taking “anti-terror” measures **to protect the fleet and associated outposts. Russia denied a broader deployment.

• The United States warned Russia against an intervention in Ukraine.“It would be a grave mistake to intervene,” said White House spokesman Jay Carney.

**• The new leaders of the Ukrainian government said an intervention had already taken place, **accusing Russia of carrying out an “armed invasion.” Some air traffic in Crimea was shut down.

• The U.N. Security Council was to hold private consultations today to discuss the crisis.

• Deposed president Vladimir Yanukovych held a news conference in Russia. He said he was still the “legitimate president” and said elections scheduled by parliament for 25 May were a sham. He said Western powers “connived” to depose him.

**• Russian president Vladimir Putin spoke separately with British prime minister David Cameron, **German chancellor Angela Merkel and the European council president. Putin “stressed the need to avoid further escalation of violence and the necessity to quickly normalize the situation,” the Kremlin said.

• The Russian foreign ministry has authorized the issuance of passports for members of the Berkut, the Ukrainian paramilitary force that acted in support of Yanukovych during the Independence Square protests.

• The United States promised to add economic aid to anticipated IMF and EU packages for the Ukraine. The country has asked for $35bn. EU officials put its short-term needs at $4bn.
 
I would like to see the different cultures of Ukraine divided into States, where each one would function as a Confederation within a United Ukraine. Central government there would exist only in terms of the common good involving highway and utility interdependence.
 
“They have weapons & say that they are from the Black Sea Fleet” Stepan Hulevatyy, Head of Crimean TV on men who’ve taken over his channel

Interim Ukrainian President Turchynov will hold presser at the parliament at 21.30 Kiev time (19.30 GMT).
 
Not trying to turn this into just a poll, but I’d like to see how serious everyone here see’s the current Crimea Crisis. On a 1 to 10 scale . 1 meaning this is little more than sabre rattling. 10 meaning possibility of a major war.
 
Seamus_L said:
Not trying to turn this into just a poll, but I’d like to see how serious everyone here see’s the current Crimea Crisis. On a 1 to 10 scale . 1 meaning this is little more than sabre rattling. 10 meaning possibility of a major war.
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It’s hard to say how serious this could become. The Crimea was part of Russia until Khrushchev “gave” it to the Ukraine in 1954, the population is almost entirely ethnic Russian - not Ukranian - and the Russian Navy’s largest warm-water base is there.

The smartest thing the “interim government” could do might be to simply cede the Crimea back to Russia and wash their hands of the problem altogether.
 
Monkey1976 said:
It’s hard to say how serious this could become. The Crimea was part of Russia until Khrushchev “gave” it to the Ukraine in 1954, the population is almost entirely ethnic Russian - not Ukranian - and the Russian Navy’s largest warm-water base is there.

The smartest thing the “interim government” could do might be to simply cede the Crimea back to Russia and wash their hands of the problem altogether.
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I would agree.
 
Monkey1976 said:
It’s hard to say how serious this could become. The Crimea was part of Russia until Khrushchev “gave” it to the Ukraine in 1954, the population is almost entirely ethnic Russian - not Ukranian - and the Russian Navy’s largest warm-water base is there.

The smartest thing the “interim government” could do might be to simply cede the Crimea back to Russia and wash their hands of the problem altogether.
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Many are saying the smartest thing “the interim government” or Yanukovich (if he is still considered the de facto head of the government) could do is put the whole thing regarding Crimea up to a referendum. That way he at least try to salvage what is left of his place in history.

Let THEM choose.

That is what feel anyway.:)🙂
 
gilliam said:
Summary from The Guardian

• Military units took over airports and roads in Crimea Friday. Soldiers in unmarked uniforms took over the airports at Sevastopol and Simferopol. Russian armored personnel carriers and helicopters were sighted in the region.

**• The Russian Black Sea fleet, harbored at Sevastopol, said it was taking “anti-terror” measures **to protect the fleet and associated outposts. Russia denied a broader deployment.

• The United States warned Russia against an intervention in Ukraine.“It would be a grave mistake to intervene,” said White House spokesman Jay Carney.

**• The new leaders of the Ukrainian government said an intervention had already taken place, **accusing Russia of carrying out an “armed invasion.” Some air traffic in Crimea was shut down.

• The U.N. Security Council was to hold private consultations today to discuss the crisis.

• Deposed president Vladimir Yanukovych held a news conference in Russia. He said he was still the “legitimate president” and said elections scheduled by parliament for 25 May were a sham. He said Western powers “connived” to depose him.

**• Russian president Vladimir Putin spoke separately with British prime minister David Cameron, **German chancellor Angela Merkel and the European council president. Putin “stressed the need to avoid further escalation of violence and the necessity to quickly normalize the situation,” the Kremlin said.

• The Russian foreign ministry has authorized the issuance of passports for members of the Berkut, the Ukrainian paramilitary force that acted in support of Yanukovych during the Independence Square protests.

• The United States promised to add economic aid to anticipated IMF and EU packages for the Ukraine. The country has asked for $35bn. EU officials put its short-term needs at $4bn.
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Thank you got patting the news Gilliam!
 
• In a televised address, Mr Turchynov said Moscow was trying to play out an “Abkhazian” plan, waiting for the Ukrainian side to react to provocations so that Moscow could annex Crimea.
• Mr Turchynov called on Russian President Putin to “stop provocations”, start negotiations and immediately “pull out” Russian troops.
• Ukraine’s acting leader said that the “Ukrainian army is not responding” to the provocations in Crimea.

Marker set

Meanwhile: Russian aircraft carrying nearly 2,000 suspected troops have landed at a military air base near Simferopo, senior Ukrainian official Sergiy Kunitsyn is reported by the AFP to have told Crimea’s ATR television channel. Mr Kunitsyn says 13 Russian planes have landed with 150 people in each one. (BBC)
 
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