UN staff killed in Afghan protest over Quran burning in US

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Prodigal_Son1 said:
Thinking of this thread many things Christ said and did came to mind. Love one another. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Love your enemies. Pray for them that persecute you. He prayed for those to be forgiven that persecuted Him.

The early Christians were persecuted. Many were martyred, yet the Church not only survived it thrived and grew. My point is, all of this happened without violence on part of the Christians.

Why are so many Christians today supporting someone who provoked violence? Where did Christ teach to provoke or use violence? Since we are to strive to be like Him I think it’s a fair question.
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I’m supporting his 1st Admendment right, not violence. Which he did not commit.

The only violence was committed by Muslims. That is where change is required.
 
Publisher said:
A follower of Jesus of Nazareth seeks the welfare of others before himself. Terry Jones cannot justify his actions by claiming to be a follower of Christ.

Are those Muslims who committed the violence guilty? Yes. Did Terry Jones contribute to the inciting of the violence? Yes. Were his actions in accord with the teaching of Jesus of Nazareth? No.

While those Muslim extreemists are guilty of murder plain and simple…Terry Jones is not a “publisher of peace” which the scriptures calls us to be.
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You better sit down for this Publisher. We agree. 😉
 
iamrefreshed said:
I’m supporting his 1st Admendment right, not violence. Which he did not commit.

The only violence was committed by Muslims. That is where change is required.
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I am supporting the teachings of Christ.

The same man’s government that gave us the 1st Amendment also legalized abortion. Man’s rules can be flawed, His cannot.

I agree there is wrong on both sides, but still it was provoked by a man calling himself a pastor.

How do you feel about the other ‘Christians’ utilizing their 1st Amendment rights to protest at the funerals of our troops killed in action? They are committing violence at those funerals…
 
"Pakistani archbishop calls for arrest of US pastor over Quran burning

LONDON (CNS) – The president of the Pakistani bishops’ conference has called for the arrest of a U.S. Protestant pastor whose decision to burn the Islamic sacred book has caused fury in the Muslim world and the deaths of more than 20 people…

…Jones is under round-the-clock protection from the FBI, having received more than 300 death threats."

Entire entry: catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1101340.htm
 
iamrefreshed said:
I surprised anyone here blames the pastor.

In fact, I’m incensed.

I insist that all those who blame the pastor renounce their statements or I will not be held responsible for my actions. If I get violent it will be their fault!:rolleyes:
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iamrefreshed said:
So you do blame Theo Van Gogh for his own murder because he asked for it.:rolleyes:
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Look, please show me where I said that? The Muslims were wrong, but so was the pastor who provoked them knowing it could result in violence.

It does not help your argument to twist things in such a fashion.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
How do you feel about the other ‘Christians’ utilizing their 1st Amendment rights to protest at the funerals of our troops killed in action? They are committing violence at those funerals…
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They are not committing violence. They are being insensitive. Still, not a crime.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Look, please show me where I said that? The Muslims were wrong, but so was the pastor who provoked them knowing it could result in violence.

It does not help your argument to twist things in such a fashion.
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Theo Van Gogh did no more than Pastor Jones.

I ask again, is he to be blamed for provoking his own murder?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Thinking of this thread many things Christ said and did came to mind. Love one another. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Love your enemies. Pray for them that persecute you. He prayed for those to be forgiven that persecuted Him.
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I find all of these relevant but specifically “do unto others”… would Mr. Jones want a Muslim burning the bible? Of course not.
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Why are so many Christians today supporting someone who provoked violence?
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I agree this is a fair question… but judging by your posts you’re smart enough to know the answer.

Anyone supporting him or at the very least denying his responsibility for the deaths infolved is doing so because he CLAIMS to be christian. If a Muslim burned a bible and some extreme Christian group killed a completely unrelated Muslim the reaction would be much different.

Humanity has reached a point that we fail to be able to really see someone else’s perspective if it isn’t at least close to matching our own… which is ironic since in this case… it does most are just blind to it.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
How do you feel about the other ‘Christians’ utilizing their 1st Amendment rights to protest at the funerals of our troops killed in action? They are committing violence at those funerals…
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Maybe you should look at what they do?

youtube.com/watch?v=xKo1PuZWmd8

Or this?

youtube.com/watch?v=llZDz…eature=related

And what the Muslims did.

youtube.com/watch?v=XJpgYRbFp6w

And I’ll ask you the same question I asked Lemon and Lime. How many people did the Westboro Baptist Church behead at their protest?

Now who is violent?🤷
 
mdrummer5 said:
I If a Muslim burned a bible and some extreme Christian group killed a completely unrelated Muslim the reaction would be much different.

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No, I would blame the Christian.😃

You would blame the Muslim.:mad:
 
iamrefreshed said:
Theo Van Gogh did no more than Pastor Jones.

I ask again, is he to be blamed for provoking his own murder?
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There are differences between the actions of Van Gogh and pastor Jones. One revealed cultural differences that struck the nerve of a fanatic and the other desecrated something they considered sacred that struck many nerves. One put himself in danger alone and the other endangered many other people, as well as himself.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I am supporting the teachings of Christ.

The same man’s government that gave us the 1st Amendment also legalized abortion. Man’s rules can be flawed, His cannot.

I agree there is wrong on both sides, but still it was provoked by a man calling himself a pastor.

How do you feel about the other ‘Christians’ utilizing their 1st Amendment rights to protest at the funerals of our troops killed in action? They are committing violence at those funerals…
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Correction: They are not committing violence at those funerals.
 
lynx said:
Is this a comparison to see who can be the bigger bigot? This is not a game worth playing. Every group will have its radicals, it’s just important to remember that a few do not represent the whole. I would have thought with the recent Catholic scandals people would be more understanding of this…

At some point bigotry exists. Do you disagree with the definition I posted or that pastor does not behave intolerantly of followers of Islam?
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Is it bigotry when this pastor points, accurately, that the Koran commands its adherents to kill anyone who does not submit to the Koran? His act was a statement saying “I will never surrender myself to this false religion”.
 
iamrefreshed said:
Maybe you should look at what they do?

youtube.com/watch?v=xKo1PuZWmd8

Or this?

youtube.com/watch?v=llZDz…eature=related

And what the Muslims did.

youtube.com/watch?v=XJpgYRbFp6w

And I’ll ask you the same question I asked Lemon and Lime. How many people did the Westboro Baptist Church behead at their protest?

Now who is violent?🤷
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I made a mistake in that post. It said ‘are’ and I meant ‘are not’. But it was very quick of you to jump on a typo. :rolleyes:
 
iamrefreshed said:
No, I would blame the Christian.😃

You would blame the Muslim.:mad:
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You assume too much.

I would blame the Christian… but I would also point out that the Muslim provoked it.

Burning another faith’s holy book is done for no reason than to provoke a response. In this case the response being one of violence is not a surprise. While extreme the reaction is one that everyone expected which is why he was urged not to do it a year earlier.

So he KNEW it would illicit a violent reaction… everyone KNEW it would happen. That doesn’t make it right but knowing that it would cause violence and doing it anyway DOES make him partially responsible.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
There are differences between the actions of Van Gogh and pastor Jones. One revealed cultural differences that struck the nerve of a fanatic and the other desecrated something they considered sacred that struck many nerves. One put himself in danger alone and the other endangered many other people, as well as himself.
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So I was right. You blame Theo Van Gogh for his own murder.:mad:
 
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