Understanding the Trinity

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You guys are well over the 1000 post mark.
I’ll close it tomorrow morning.
 
Servant19 said:
Why the picking Martin?

The question still stands dear brother 🙂

Yes I claimed. My apologies for claiming legitimately something on behalf of another religious group. :confused::confused:

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I’m not picking on you. I need to know your thought process. 🙂

You didn’t have an issue as I said with my answer.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Love is all encompassing. No narrowness Servant. 🙂

And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.🙂

MJ
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But the love is not encompassing enough to acknowledge that there is a different perspective to the Trinity which Islam presents, and as such Muhammad was a deceiver according to many CAF members here…or so it seems…I’d love to be wrong 🙂

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Techno2000 said:
I know… it must be impossible to try and keep up with all these religions 🙂
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Catholicism seems to do fine with it these days.

The Plan of Salvation also includes ______________ (fill in the blank Techno)

How does the Catholic Church keep up with all these religions?

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MartinJordan said:
I’m not picking on you. I need to know your thought process. 🙂

You didn’t have an issue as I said with my answer.

MJ
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My thought process is this:

I’d love you to answer my last question about the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church…

God bless you 🙂

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Servant19 said:
My thought process is this:

I’d love you to answer my last question about the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church…

God bless you 🙂

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I did. You didn’t raise any issue except talk about the UU who are clearly not Apostolic. 🙂

MJ
 
Servant19 said:
But the love is not encompassing enough to acknowledge that there is a different perspective to the Trinity which Islam presents, and as such Muhammad was a deceiver according to many CAF members here…or so it seems…I’d love to be wrong 🙂

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We are here at CAF because we Love the Lord God with all our heart and with all our soul and with all our mind. As Jesus asked us:)

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
We are here at CAF because we Love the Lord God with all our heart and with all our soul and with all our mind. 🙂

MJ
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That’s very easy to say when some at CAF say with the other sides of their mouths that we have been deceived by Satan. And they say it to those that have lived saintly lives as Baha’is and Muslims.

It’s humiliating, it really is…especially when other Catholics sit aside and watch it like a form of entertainment.

🙂

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Servant19 said:
That’s very easy to say when some at CAF say with the other sides of their mouths that we have been deceived by Satan. And they say it to those that have lived saintly lives as Baha’is and Muslims.

It’s humiliating, it really is…especially when other Catholics sit aside and watch it like a form of entertainment.

🙂

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Perhaps take it up with the Admins. ?

MJ
 
Servant19 said:
This difference lies in the fact that Christianity proposes that creation came into being at a certain point, whereas Baha’i theology calls for the eternal nature of creation.

God is not a Creator without a creation. If The Creator is eternal, then His creation must also be eternal.

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God can have the name Creator because there are, have been, or will be creatures. Creations do not have to exist on the order outside of time, the eternal.
 
Servant19 said:
Thank you Vico

Is the Catechism of the Catholic Church as a result of the Holy Spirit or as a result of the thoughts of man?

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It covers faith and morals, that are infallible, as well as other matters which are fallible. It is a work of the Church guided by God (The Most Holy Trinity).

St. Pope John Paul II wrote in the Apostolic Constitution FIDEI DEPOSITUM (11 October 1992):
  1. The Doctrinal Value of the Text
The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved 25 June last and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition and the Church’s Magisterium. I declare it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith and thus a valid and legitimate instrument for ecclesial communion. May it serve the renewal to which the Holy Spirit ceaselessly calls the Church of God, the Body of Christ, on her pilgrimage to the undiminished light of the Kingdom!
 
Vico said:
God can have the name Creator because there are, have been, or will be creatures. Creations do not have to exist on the order outside of time, the eternal.
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It is seen this way in the Bahai Writings, and to me always ties back into the Trinity of God

“As to thy question concerning the origin of creation. Know assuredly that God’s creation hath existed from eternity, and will continue to exist forever. Its beginning hath had no beginning, and its end knoweth no end. His name, the Creator, presupposeth a creation, even as His title, the Lord of Men, must involve the existence of a servant”. reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-78.html

and

“Consequently just as the reality of divinity never had a beginning,—that is, God has ever been a creator, God has ever been a provider, God has ever been a quickener, God has ever been a bestower,—so there never has been a time when the attributes of God have not had expression. The sun is the sun because of its rays, because of its heat. Were we to conceive of a time when there was a sun without heat and light, it would imply that there had been no sun at all and that it became the sun afterward. So likewise if we say there was a time when God had no creation or created beings, a time when there were no recipients of His bounties and that His names and attributes had not been manifested, this would be equivalent to a complete denial of 108 divinity, for it would mean that divinity is accidental. To explain it still more clearly,…” reference.bahai.org/en/t/c/FWU/fwu-29.html

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
It is seen this way in the Bahai Writings, and to me always ties back into the Trinity of God

“As to thy question concerning the origin of creation. Know assuredly that God’s creation hath existed from eternity, and will continue to exist forever. Its beginning hath had no beginning, and its end knoweth no end. His name, the Creator, presupposeth a creation, even as His title, the Lord of Men, must involve the existence of a servant”. reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-78.html

and

“Consequently just as the reality of divinity never had a beginning,—that is, God has ever been a creator, God has ever been a provider, God has ever been a quickener, God has ever been a bestower,—so there never has been a time when the attributes of God have not had expression. The sun is the sun because of its rays, because of its heat. Were we to conceive of a time when there was a sun without heat and light, it would imply that there had been no sun at all and that it became the sun afterward. So likewise if we say there was a time when God had no creation or created beings, a time when there were no recipients of His bounties and that His names and attributes had not been manifested, this would be equivalent to a complete denial of 108 divinity, for it would mean that divinity is accidental. To explain it still more clearly,…” reference.bahai.org/en/t/c/FWU/fwu-29.html

Regards Tony
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Eternal is on a different order than time, and God is still Creator, although time has a first beginning.

There is a difference then with Catholic teaching where time has a fist beginning (this is from Vatican I, Dei filius):

This one only true God, of His own goodness and almighty power, not for the increase or acquirement of His own happiness, but to manifest His perfection by the blessings which He bestows on creatures, and with absolute freedom of Counsel, created out of nothing, from the very first beginning of time, both the spiritual and the corporeal creature, to wit, the angelical and the mundane, and afterwards the human creature, as partaking, in a sense, of both, consisting of spirit and of body.
 
Servant19 said:
Catholicism seems to do fine with it these days.

The Plan of Salvation also includes ______________ (fill in the blank Techno)

How does the Catholic Church keep up with all these religions?

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The Catholic Church doesn’t have to keep up with them because it doesn’t try to integrate their teachings into it like like Bahaism does.God’s plan of Salvation is that everyone has to go through Jesus to get into Heaven.This can happen easily, and one can go straight to Heaven with the aid of the Catholic Church.If not you have to do it the Hard way… through purgatory.
 
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